nikita_nomad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Hi guys, Not sure if I'm posting in the right section, but any way. I can't work my head around fixing aa. The in game msaa completely kills my frames, from having it around 80, for example, and msaa off I loose about 20 with x2 and around 40 with x4. I can't live with that. Having it completely off isn't an option as well as it's just to jagged. I tried tweaks with nvidia control panel, and only enabling fxaa seems to work. It helps a bit, but cockpit appears a bit washed out and I can still see the jagged lines and shimmering. If I try to overwrite application settings it does not change anything. Looks like ncp antialiasing not changing anything. Any tips and advice? I'm out of ideas... Thanks Edited September 5, 2019 by nikitatattoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overalien Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Combine 2x or 4x MSAA in DCS with „enable MFAA“ and „Enhance Application Settings" in NVIDIA. That's a good balance of performance loss vs quality in my experience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 __________________ overalien Hog Driver starting to really like the Tomcat System specs: Intel i7-8700k - OC to 5.0 GHz | 32 GB RAM 3600 MHz | Nvidia 1080ti SLi | Mixed Storage - Win 10 and DCS on Samsung SSD 970 Pro Flightgear: 7 Displays (3 x 1440p, 1 X 1080p, 3 X Lilliput Touch) | 3 x Cougar MFDs | Warthog HOTAS | Thrustmaster TPR Pedals | iBEAM Shaker + Simshaker for Aviators w. Sound Module | Helios | VAICOM Pro + AIRIO | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I can't believe in 2019 we still have to fight with Anti-Aliasing. But hey RTX right? That was development money well spent right? Cause pretty lighting with jagged lines is cool..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedStick Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Hi guys, I can't work my head around fixing aa. The in game msaa completely kills my frames, from having it around 80, for example, and msaa off I loose about 20 with x2 and around 40 with x4. I can't live with that. ........ I've been fiddeling again during the last two weeks with exactly this and I cant choose. Pick FPS and loose that pixel you were tracking against every other jagged pixel. Choose AA and loose it in the fps ghosting. However I have found it easier to go with AWS off for target tracking. Easier to track for some reason. But leave it on by default. Its shame that one has to choose... "Hard to imagine bigger engine. its got a beautiful face and an arse built like sputnik." - Pikey AKA The Poet, on 37 Viggen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Thanks overalien for the tip. I spent whole evening last night messing around with it. You're right, it looks like best performance-quality ratio. I have to sacrifice some fps but it looks a lot better then just fxaa. I found out that if I choose to enhance application setting it also makes a slight improvement, but it seems that there is literally no difference between x2 and x8, so i kept it at x2. Also guys, do I understand it correctly that when you use msaa and mfaa( in control panel) the fxaa should be off? they shouldn't be switched on both at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 MFAA has no effect (except placebo). This sim needs badly a proper antialiasing (even with MSAA 4x you get jaggies all the way). To snipe down the idiot incoming comment "I don't need it", let's say "I need" proper antialiasing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Hey OttoPus. I just checked if mfaa has any effect, and I have to say it does, at least on my system. If i have it ON the picture is quite a lot better and smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Hey OttoPus. I just checked if mfaa has any effect, and I have to say it does, at least on my system. If i have it ON the picture is quite a lot better and smoother. This is absolutely new, maybe something is changed behind the scenes lately. I'll give it a try, thank you for reporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) This is absolutely new, maybe something is changed behind the scenes lately. I'll give it a try, thank you for reporting No problem, hope it helps. Btw having it on doesn't affect frames but does a decent job at smoothing things out:thumbup: Edited September 7, 2019 by nikitatattoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 This is absolutely new, maybe something is changed behind the scenes lately. I'll give it a try, thank you for reporting It's worked since at least since 2.0, it's not new. Here's a post showing it working back in Feb of '18 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davee Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Combine 2x or 4x MSAA in DCS with „enable MFAA“ and „Enhance Application Settings" in NVIDIA. That's a good balance of performance loss vs quality in my experience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This works great for me! Thanks for the tip. Nice combination of clarity, framerate and anti-aliasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It's worked since at least since 2.0, it's not new. Here's a post showing it working back in Feb of '18 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201196 I tried it multiple times with no results at all, that's because I wrote what I wrote. I'm gonna try this (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Nope, not working for me as per screenshots (focus on the taxi lines). https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3513878&postcount=2 <- here, the last two slices on the right, mfaa is not making any difference there either. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overalien Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 You must activate 2x or 4x MSAA in DCS and set Nvidia to enhance app settings and turn on MFAA. On its own, MFAA does nothing if your in-game settings for AA are off. MFAA changes the calculation algorithm to a more efficient one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ overalien Hog Driver starting to really like the Tomcat System specs: Intel i7-8700k - OC to 5.0 GHz | 32 GB RAM 3600 MHz | Nvidia 1080ti SLi | Mixed Storage - Win 10 and DCS on Samsung SSD 970 Pro Flightgear: 7 Displays (3 x 1440p, 1 X 1080p, 3 X Lilliput Touch) | 3 x Cougar MFDs | Warthog HOTAS | Thrustmaster TPR Pedals | iBEAM Shaker + Simshaker for Aviators w. Sound Module | Helios | VAICOM Pro + AIRIO | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 You must activate 2x or 4x MSAA in DCS and set Nvidia to enhance app settings and turn on MFAA. On its own, MFAA does nothing if your in-game settings for AA are off. MFAA changes the calculation algorithm to a more efficient one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yep that's what I did, I set MSAA in game to 2x and MFAA to 2x also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 Yep that's what I did, I set MSAA in game to 2x and MFAA to 2x also I think MFAA you can only toggle On or OFF, in control panel .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I think MFAA you can only toggle On or OFF, in control panel .. That is correct. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Yep, I had MFAA on "activated" and Anti-Aliasing option on 2x (it's just above the "enhance application settings" option). EDIT: the nVidia control panel is in italian, options are the same though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overalien Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 You must use MSAA 2x or 4x in DCS OPTIONS (in game) , not in NVIDIA. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ overalien Hog Driver starting to really like the Tomcat System specs: Intel i7-8700k - OC to 5.0 GHz | 32 GB RAM 3600 MHz | Nvidia 1080ti SLi | Mixed Storage - Win 10 and DCS on Samsung SSD 970 Pro Flightgear: 7 Displays (3 x 1440p, 1 X 1080p, 3 X Lilliput Touch) | 3 x Cougar MFDs | Warthog HOTAS | Thrustmaster TPR Pedals | iBEAM Shaker + Simshaker for Aviators w. Sound Module | Helios | VAICOM Pro + AIRIO | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 You must use MSAA 2x or 4x in DCS OPTIONS (in game) , not in NVIDIA. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk As I wrote few replies above, in-game I have MSAA 2x on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 As I wrote few replies above, in-game I have MSAA 2x on. Try switching aa transparency on x2(supersample) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Try switching aa transparency on x2(supersample) I'll give it a try, thank you :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This aa thing makes me crazy. with msaa 4x and mfaa, looks better than horrible. ssaa with msaa 4x looks good but gives 25 fps whereas previous setting gives 60-70 fps Also look at this lanfind light. Looks pixelated and with a weird instagram filter FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita_nomad Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 I know, man. I wonder what kind of rigs ED have themselves. Matt Wagners videos look absolutely amazing, I can only dream about those kind of visuals.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I think it mostly can be reduced to 2 factors: - something recorderd in 2k shrinked to fullHD (like SSAA is doing) - youtube compression also adds some smoothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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