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Old 07-20-2017, 01:53 PM   #31
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If someone is truly interested in flying then they should bite the bullet and learn to fly with their right hand. Military combat aircraft don't come with left hand sticks.
And civilian aircraft often don't come with right hand sticks. At least not for the man sitting on the left side.

You use what's available, in the end it's not much different.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:02 AM   #32
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If someone is truly interested in flying then they should bite the bullet and learn to fly with their right hand. Military combat aircraft don't come with left hand sticks.
You do realise that we are talking about simulated flying of simulated planes, for fun, and that most of us have absolutely no expectations of ever flying real military planes/helicopters? So why would you want to insist that we compromise our enjoyment and flying experience by using our non-dominant hand which feels wrong and awkward. Left handed people tend to have better developed visio-spatial ability which I am sure they/we would compromise if not using our natural dominant hand.

In order for my flying experience to be as realistic as I could make it, my priority was on the real dynamics of flight and control feedback so I decided that a force feedback system was an absolute priority and it adds a great deal to the experience of flying warbirds, GA planes and helicopters. You seem to have compromised your experience by missing out on one of the most fundamental aspects of flying but tell others to lessen the quality of their experience and enjoyment by conforming to a standard that is unnecessary in the simulated world.

While I agree it is much easier to buy a standard HOTAS to give fingertip control of military jets that is a limited view of flying and its experiences. If you are truly interested in flying try flying a P51 or a Huey with your Warthog setup and tell me that you are not losing out a great deal compared to a more realistic setup with force feedback.

Its all about suitability for your needs and priorities and the individual enjoying the experience as much as possible and for me that naturally involves flying with my left hand.

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Old 07-21-2017, 10:01 AM   #33
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"You have to learn flying right handed for realism" is a non-argument.

Yeah, sure, if I join some airforce anytime soon, I may consider switching my dominant hand for 30-odd years, but unless that happens I see no reason to .

Even IRL, most commercial aircraft with a side by side arrangement, one of the pilots have to fly left handed, the concept isn't all that strange .

Unless someone flies with as many replica control setups as existing modules, you aren't mimicking the exact control setup realism anyway, and in that case, sacrificing the use of your more dextrous hand doesn't really contribute enough to realism to make up for loss of ability.

In a real aircraft, only option is to train your other hand, but here we have the choice, and trying to adapt the right hand just for the sake of pure "realism" is going to be a diminishing return at best.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:51 PM   #34
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And civilian aircraft often don't come with right hand sticks. At least not for the man sitting on the left side.

You use what's available, in the end it's not much different.
This really, think about it this way your in a RH biased world. If you ever get the option to fly real world well that's the way it is. Biasedness is just how we approach the world.
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:11 AM   #35
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but here we have the choice, and trying to adapt the right hand just for the sake of pure "realism" is going to be a diminishing return at best.
We don't though.
Want a Warhog, or X55/56? Or infact, any high end PC hardware?
You have to adapt.

I pretty much now only write+do very fine precision finger work with my left.
Mice, joysticks, guitar...etc, all used right handed.

Glad I put the effort in as well, as a whole massive market was opened up for me.
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Old 07-28-2017, 09:00 AM   #36
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I'm another lefty who learned how to fly right handed when Thrustmaster hit the scene with the FCS and WCS Mk I. As others have said, you can find an ambidextrous stick, but good luck finding an ambidextrous throttle.

Anyway, it took me a couple of weeks to learn how to use a light touch with my right hand, and then I stopped thinking about it. Learning how to fly right handed also really helped in flight school (for obvious reasons). I don't think I could fly better left handed than I do now with my right.

I say bite the bullet and learn it. It pays off, and there's no long-term downside at all.
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"You have to learn flying right handed for realism" is a non-argument.

Yeah, sure, if I join some airforce anytime soon, I may consider switching my dominant hand for 30-odd years, but unless that happens I see no reason to .

Even IRL, most commercial aircraft with a side by side arrangement, one of the pilots have to fly left handed, the concept isn't all that strange .

Unless someone flies with as many replica control setups as existing modules, you aren't mimicking the exact control setup realism anyway, and in that case, sacrificing the use of your more dextrous hand doesn't really contribute enough to realism to make up for loss of ability.

In a real aircraft, only option is to train your other hand, but here we have the choice, and trying to adapt the right hand just for the sake of pure "realism" is going to be a diminishing return at best.


or as some would call it, lazy. this is a sim, do it right...
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You do realise that we are talking about simulated flying of simulated planes, for fun, and that most of us have absolutely no expectations of ever flying real military planes/helicopters? So why would you want to insist that we compromise our enjoyment and flying experience by using our non-dominant hand which feels wrong and awkward. Left handed people tend to have better developed visio-spatial ability which I am sure they/we would compromise if not using our natural dominant hand.

In order for my flying experience to be as realistic as I could make it, my priority was on the real dynamics of flight and control feedback so I decided that a force feedback system was an absolute priority and it adds a great deal to the experience of flying warbirds, GA planes and helicopters. You seem to have compromised your experience by missing out on one of the most fundamental aspects of flying but tell others to lessen the quality of their experience and enjoyment by conforming to a standard that is unnecessary in the simulated world.

While I agree it is much easier to buy a standard HOTAS to give fingertip control of military jets that is a limited view of flying and its experiences. If you are truly interested in flying try flying a P51 or a Huey with your Warthog setup and tell me that you are not losing out a great deal compared to a more realistic setup with force feedback.

Its all about suitability for your needs and priorities and the individual enjoying the experience as much as possible and for me that naturally involves flying with my left hand.


Given your logic, you may as well just use the keyboard
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Even IRL, most commercial aircraft with a side by side arrangement, one of the pilots have to fly left handed, the concept isn't all that strange .
True, but who flies in that position has nothing to do with which person is left hand dominant. It is far more likely, from a statistical perspective, that the person flying left handed is right hand dominant. So the norm is to learn to fly with your non-dominant hand when the situation arises.
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I believe Virpil makes left handed joystick.
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