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Old 07-12-2017, 03:34 AM   #451
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If you don't know that the USAF has it's own version of "top gun"..then how exactly do you presume to declare that the F-15's losses to F-14's were "few and far between"?
I have to wave a red flag at this......where are your facts?............
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Old 07-12-2017, 04:27 AM   #452
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pretty sure it was vampire
I was trying to be over the top so that people would realize what I was trying to do. Glad it wasn't lost on everyone, haha.
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I have to wave a red flag at this......where are your facts?............
I see what you did there.

I just can't stand the "the lack of proof is proof itself" argument when it comes to Tomcat vs Eagle.
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You realize that some of the f14 gun kills were happened when the pilot induced a departure because he knew how where the nose was going to be in relation to the bandit. And then, getting control back. Aerobatics or just knowing how the plane behaved. You need to understand that this plane could cartwheel, snap roll, induce some yaw...etc. afcs is more forgiving than dfcs.

Roll sas is turned off in bfm.

There is pro-verse and ad verse yaw depending on alpha...think about for a moment.


All of this is happened during LOW Speed flight!

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You realize that some of the f14 gun kills were happened when the pilot induced a departure because he knew how where the nose was going to be in relation to the bandit. And then, getting control back. Aerobatics or just knowing how the plane behaved. You need to understand that this plane could cartwheel, snap roll, induce some yaw...etc. afcs is more forgiving than dfcs.

Roll sas is turned off in bfm.

There is pro-verse and ad verse yaw depending on alpha...think about for a moment.


All of this is happened during LOW Speed flight!

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Old 08-09-2017, 10:35 PM   #456
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Makes sense. Except for that defensive break. I mean, the 14 does have more lift for every degree of alpha at the same mach, up to about the stalling edge. If so, and they are behind you, breaking hard might not be such a good idea? I mean, they can out point you and get where you wanna be before you, then unload and get some energy back, while your exhaust goes right to your face.... Unless he is more at the 3-9 line, but does that classify as a defensive setup?
I can't believe the day came when i quoted myself. It would appear i suffer from reading disorder and you guys just let me go along

That part i was referring to, was actually from an F-15 offensive point, at as such it makes PERFECT sense. I needlessly spent several hours doing simulations to only confirm what was already stated........ don't ask what made necro this though, i'm already overwhelmed with shame
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:30 PM   #457
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I can't believe the day came when i quoted myself. It would appear i suffer from reading disorder and you guys just let me go along

That part i was referring to, was actually from an F-15 offensive point, at as such it makes PERFECT sense. I needlessly spent several hours doing simulations to only confirm what was already stated........ don't ask what made necro this though, i'm already overwhelmed with shame
Well that does it, that's the last time I trust what you say!

Nah I guess we all misread it, so shame falls upon all of us. However that said the defensive part is then quite risky as basically it just seems to allow the F-14 lots of shot opportunities before its energy depletes. Seems like the proper advice for a neutral setup though.

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:57 PM   #458
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Well that does it, that's the last time I trust what you say!

Nah I guess we all misread it, so shame falls upon all of us. However that said the defensive part is then quite risky as basically it just seems to allow the F-14 lots of shot opportunities before its energy depletes. Seems like the proper advice for a neutral setup though.
Neutral and offensive yeah, especially offensive. You get the A enough bellow 250-300 and it's gonna struggle to recover.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:52 AM   #459
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:34 PM   #460
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Neutral and offensive yeah, especially offensive. You get the A enough bellow 250-300 and it's gonna struggle to recover.
Indeed, but if they're both at M 0.8 and the F-14A starts on the F-15's tail, well then that's gonna mean a heck of a lot of shot opportunities for the cat until the F-15's extra thrust allows it to pull ahead and initiate a long lag pursuit.

In contrast the F-14A can get out of danger faster with a hard break, even if it just means the F-15 immediately goes vertical to come in for another pass. But atleast the cat can throw the eagle off target right away, where'as the eagle is in much more danger initially if the positions are reversed.
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