Jona33 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Finally, the Harrier. I can't wait! :D :D Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galagamo Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) So good to see familiar aircraft devs jumping the fence. Let's give them birds some teeth, and something to chew on!! Edited June 10, 2012 by galagamo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novum Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Atleast thise aircraft here are do able, scooter... this is the best news ive read in a long time!! LABS or what it was calld they used to deliver nukes, and the bombload it can take,, So what version of the scooter will we see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
element1108 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Maybe I've seen True Lies one to many times, but I freaking LOVE the harrier. I'm with you on that, once I saw them in that I was IN LOVE with them. Still my favorite part of the movie: (when the marine pilots blow up the bridge)...not really the Arnold pilot stuff. :) Welcome Prowler111 and the RAZBAM team, a Harrier in DCS world would be pretty, pretty, pretty, prettyyyyyyyyyy prettyyyyyyy good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFJFA F1 Team Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Good news.. and welcome ! But... please think in the results that we have seen in the pool about of the desired fidelity of the aircraft. The vast majority of DCS users are here for that reason. We do not fly FS and not fly IL2. We are interested in study simulations that we use to learn and fly in our squadrons. A low level simulation have no interest for us when we try to work with realistic procedures and realistic manuals. There will be many people trying to sell their models in this big community of DCS users, but make no mistake. 90% of the community will only be interested in aircraft of high level of complexity. So if you want to sell, try to maintain that level or will not make the business you expect. I would also like to see that third parties not only try to sell us old FS aircraft, but that they are also interested in the research and development of new scenaries and tools. About the F-18 and other models of interest (F-16, MIG-29,Su-27,33,35, Apache, etc), I sincerely hope that they are not developed by third parties but directly by DCS or at least meet the high quality standards of DCS series. This is just my opinion, excuse me for my funny english +1000000 completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speacy Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Good news.. and welcome ! But... please think in the results that we have seen in the pool about of the desired fidelity of the aircraft. The vast majority of DCS users are here for that reason. We do not fly FS and not fly IL2. We are interested in study simulations that we use to learn and fly in our squadrons. A low level simulation have no interest for us when we try to work with realistic procedures and realistic manuals. There will be many people trying to sell their models in this big community of DCS users, but make no mistake. 90% of the community will only be interested in aircraft of high level of complexity. So if you want to sell, try to maintain that level or will not make the business you expect. I would also like to see that third parties not only try to sell us old FS aircraft, but that they are also interested in the research and development of new scenaries and tools. About the F-18 and other models of interest (F-16, MIG-29,Su-27,33,35, Apache, etc), I sincerely hope that they are not developed by third parties but directly by DCS or at least meet the high quality standards of DCS series. This is just my opinion, excuse me for my funny english +1000000 completely agree me too [sIGPIC]http://355th.fr/public/style_images/Speacy.png[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ec-swr Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Yeah this is nice but we really could use the F/A-18C. Please? Thanks. :) ED DCS F/A-18C. Thanks :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC].youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigastar Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Looks like the DCS World Enviroment was one of the best ideas ED had, for them and for the simmers. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Finally, here comes Spectrum Holobyte's vision of The Electronic Battlefield. Only took 'em 20 years. :thumbup: "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFire Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Going with my gut here but I'll have no choice but to buy the harrier. Its a damn nice plane considering what it was designed to do. However, please make one of the versions with radar, vixen or apg, no matter, just make sure it can defend itself. By the time this becomes reality there will be other planes in the air and this platform will need a means to defend itself. Having escorts is preferable but its not always the case. And flying A-10 for so long has really given me a respect for how absolutely helpless you are up there with no radar. Especially if an enemy zooms right passed in supersonic and shoot down my AWAC cause they do HAVE radar. Then were really f'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona33 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Going with my gut here but I'll have no choice but to buy the harrier. Its a damn nice plane considering what it was designed to do. However, please make one of the versions with radar, vixen or apg, no matter, just make sure it can defend itself. By the time this becomes reality there will be other planes in the air and this platform will need a means to defend itself. Having escorts is preferable but its not always the case. And flying A-10 for so long has really given me a respect for how absolutely helpless you are up there with no radar. Especially if an enemy zooms right passed in supersonic and shoot down my AWAC cause they do HAVE radar. Then were really f'ed. Hope for the AV-8B then. I really don't want the FA2. Too boring. Atleast in a harrier then you've got a decent chance of fighting instead of an A-10 where it takes a lot of skill/luck/idiotic enemy pilot. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Actually you'll get blasted in a harrier too, at least if the bandit's equipment isn't of the 70's variety. All you can do is self-escort, and for a very limited time. While you're doing self-escort, you quite likely aren't doing much A2G. In other words, you give up pylons for A2A equipment. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFire Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I can always go back to base and re-arm. Not really a possibility if I get shot down. Id gladly trade one or two pylons. I dont see why if you have an awacs that you couldnt defend yourself while doing A2G. Right now in the A-10 if I havent found the bandit by the time AWACs tells me i've merged, its already over. Of course usually never make it that far... stupid radar guided missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) You couldn't defend yourself while you're doing A2G because you're doing A2G. The moment you come off your A2G mission you're a mission kill. The enemy fighter will push you harder and harder. He has more missiles than you do, and he has kinematic advantages. It doesn't matter to him if he shoots you down or not, but he's more likely to do so than not ... and if not, again ... you didn't complete your A2G task, and you're a mission kill. You're just exhibiting typical ground-pounder 'zomg I'm helpless' attitude ... radar missiles are relatively easy to defend against at range; more importantly, you need to dissapear or defend until your top cover takes care of your fighter problem. And if you don't have air cover ... what are you doing there? :P Edited June 10, 2012 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFire Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 If you successfully defend against said bandit and return to frag your not missing anything unless you were pretty much saving a bunch of marines CAS style (obviously a primary task). There have been plenty of planes in history that have had to engage in ACM even though they were not primarily designed to. And often they succeeded quite well in doing so. So in the spirit of this ideal where you shouldnt be doing A2A, but doesnt mean necessarily you wont need to I'd like a damn radar. The harrier is not totally weak and destined to die, its not a Sopwith. Im thinking you meant kinetic advantages (as in energy, and we know E is everything) although kinematics could possibly apply. I wouldnt be doing any kinematics in the cockpit though... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Welcome abaord. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 If you successfully defend against said bandit and return to frag your not missing anything unless you were pretty much saving a bunch of marines CAS style (obviously a primary task). You won't. You'll waste fuel, you'll get shot down, or you'll be forced to ditch your A2G ammunition to defend from his missiles. While AI bandits may not be terribly capable, a person flying against you will completely trash your mission, and easily so. The only time you'll 'get it easy' is if the bandit is much, much lower capability than you. There have been plenty of planes in history that have had to engage in ACM even though they were not primarily designed to. And often they succeeded quite well in doing so. I don't recall ANY recent warplanes doing such a thing. There were a few, very few exceptions to the rule in Vietnam. In a modern setting, two F-18's shot down two MiG-21's while on their way to their A2G mission - bu they didn't need to maneuver. The MiG-21's were simply not capable of dealing with the much more advanced F-18's radar and missiles in a stand-up fight, and it was a turkey shoot. And I'll impress onto you again, this is a famous incident because it is the ONLY one of its kind where a modern aircraft on an A2G mission self-escorted AND completed their A2G mission ... but it wasn't even a real fight. So in the spirit of this ideal where you shouldnt be doing A2A, but doesnt mean necessarily you wont need to I'd like a damn radar. The harrier is not totally weak and destined to die, its not a Sopwith. Actually yes, it is totally weak and destined to die when it runs into a real fighter. Im thinking you meant kinetic advantages (as in energy, and we know E is everything) although kinematics could possibly apply. I wouldnt be doing any kinematics in the cockpit though... :D I mean you won't even be in range to launch your missiles out of that harrier while a real fighter's intercepting you. He'll launch first, he'll have you on the defensive first, and he'll either mission kill you or shoot you down. You won't be able to defend yourself without getting the initiative, and in particular a good ambush. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFire Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Your right and I knew it, I was just trying to put up a decent fight. Im done, we totally hijacked this thread. Sorry. Still want a damn radar though. You may take my hopes but you'll never take my reckless demands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 You're certainly right about that :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 The Buckeye sounds good. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbuster Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 First IRIS with F-14 and now there's the Harrier on the horizon... Two of my most favorite jets are going to be in DCS World... This is one fantastic news, thanks guys and good luck with your projects! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_M Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I'm concerned as to how much of a difference the SFM will make. I'm not judging anything until I see something of it though. If these planes end up as good as they can be, then I'll be a very happy (and poor) Rusty. Harrier and Eurofighter news is great. They are possibly the two aircraft I want most to try. The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3para Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 A6- or A7.. HAF TOWER / MSI z77 G43 /-i5-3570k.@ 3.4mhz / GTX 780 / Patriot 8GB. DDR3 / TM-HOTAS-warthog 00228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Name wie kein Name Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 First IRIS with F-14 and now there's the Harrier on the horizon... Two of my most favorite jets are going to be in DCS World... This is one fantastic news, thanks guys and good luck with your projects! Alright, now we only need that F-18 and carriers for being completely buzzed. :pilotfly: Every time you look into the forum you get great news nowadays... I wonder how we can learn to fly all these upcoming planes, though. Bear @ 33rd Airbase Wing iMac i7 4x3.4 GHz | 8GB | HD 6970M w/2 GB GDDR5 | 256 GB SSD | TM Warthog | TM Cougar MFD (mounted on 21" screen) | Sennheiser PC-133D | Razer Imperator | TrackIR 5 | Windows 7 Home Pro 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowler111 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 What about this, guys: And this one: Al thought we´ll need to get the permissions for the F-102 into DCS (I wasn't the creator of this mesh) Best regards Prowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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