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Old 04-01-2018, 09:18 PM   #1
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I'm curious what people's opinions are on how the Hornet will stack up in the close in dogfight arena against the 2 Flanker variants and the F-15C.

In real life the Hornet has a reputation as an excellent close in dogfighter, but if the ED Hornet is bound by a highly realistic flight model compared to FC3 jets, won't the Hornet be at a disadvantage?
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Old 04-01-2018, 09:56 PM   #2
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I'm curious what people's opinions are on how the Hornet will stack up in the close in dogfight arena against the 2 Flanker variants and the F-15C.

In real life the Hornet has a reputation as an excellent close in dogfighter, but if the ED Hornet is bound by a highly realistic flight model compared to FC3 jets, won't the Hornet be at a disadvantage?
The F-15C has a PFM/EFM already as I believe the SU-33/SU-27 do as well. The Mig-29 is still in the works.


The workload will be greater in the Hornet, though the capabilities with sensors will also be greater. In a turning fight, with a good pilot, the Hornet should get an advantage over the F-15C. The Su-27 should be able to leverage their HMD tracking to get first shot with off-bore IR missile launches.

That is until the Hornet gets the Aim-9X which will have a greater off-bore site launch window. If the SU-27 gets into a slow turning fight and cannot get an IR missile launch off, the Hornet pilot should be able to get his nose on the SU-27 with its nose authority and get a gun kill.
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It'll stack up the way any competently designed 4th gen fighter does.


The first pilot to make mistakes past an unrecoverable threshold dies. One big mistake, or a bunch of smaller ones, it doesn't really matter.

It's not a matter of an airplane winning, but of the pilot not losing.


I do think that the high alpha attributes of the Hornet and the Flanker family will make for some really great gun fights.
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I do think that the high alpha attributes of the Hornet and the Flanker family will make for some really great gun fights.
I hope that's the case. I enjoy a good gunfight.
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Old 04-02-2018, 02:58 AM   #5
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"Oh I wish I had the alpha of the Hornet..."
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:50 PM   #6
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The Su-27 will obliterate the Hornet, they're so easy to kill in Fortress Mozdok! Of course, that's including BVR, and excluding the AIM-9X, but I still think the Flanker has the advantage.
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The Su-27 will obliterate the Hornet, they're so easy to kill in Fortress Mozdok! Of course, that's including BVR, and excluding the AIM-9X, but I still think the Flanker has the advantage.
And you call yourself a Michigander, Flankers better than a Hornet pfhh. You must be the kinda guy that says Fiat>Ford in your neck of the woods.
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Well, I'm just speaking from experience. I'm not saying I'm right, and it all depends on the skill of the pilots.
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Well, I'm just speaking from experience. I'm not saying what's actually true or not, and it all depends on the skill of the pilots.
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Old 04-02-2018, 02:27 PM   #10
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A better analysis would be comparing the two aircraft's spirit animal...Hornet- Rabid Bald Eagle, Flanker- Parakeet
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