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This occurs with every module.

 

The Module Modelled is stated, and then users want specific features that are from another block/export option.

 

F-5E, users want AGM65s and A2A Refueling etc, Not part of USAF Block.

 

F/A-18C, users want items specific to export versions.

 

F-15C Users want items from a newer block,

 

Same with Flankers and A-10C.

 

The difference is the Exact era of F16C block 50 isnt known. as pointed out a F16C block 50 on its own is still somewhat vague, as could be anything from the initial model introduced in 1991 which didnt have SEAD capability ( such upgrade followed shortly with unofficial nomenclature for said program; BLock 50/52 CJ) , or the last production F16C block 50 from 2001, or perhaps even with Some Post Production Upgrades in the manner the F/A18C Lot 20 has

 

Actually from my perspective there has very little wish-listing for additional F/A18C feature not beloning to the USN version because ED has modeled nearly as modern Iteration as they could that will have all the features that everyone would have wanted, like JHMCS , Aim9X , and various additional more sohphiscated longer range Standoff Weapons that the A10 never had.

 

As such its not hard to understand why people would want a feature contemporary, if not at least similar timeframe comparable Viper to its Hornet sibling


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As such its not hard to understand why people would want a feature, if not at least similar time frame comparable Viper to its Hornet sibling

 

Exactly, or

 

At least I hope they bring to life a comparable or better module of the F-16 to that of one in nameless*cough cough* Bird sim. and in turn brings over more people to DCS and growing the player base.

 

Since excluding the DCS features and Increased Resolution, this Module will be compared to every sim that has depicted the F-16 that came before it.


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MVSGAS, you seem quite knowledgeable on the F-16, is there a substantial difference between Export Block 50's and USAF ones other than the use of this equipment?

I know some stuff, but I am no expert. To try to answer your question; Short answer: depends what you consider substantial.

 

Long winded Answer:

 

Every F-16 is different, I don't mean this batch or that one. I mean every single F-16. I have been in units that with different equipment because the ongoing upgrades. For example I was on the 8 FW, 8 Maintenance Squadron, 80th Aircraft Maintenance Units (AMU) when it was converting from block 30 to Block 40 that had undergone the Common Configuration Implementation Program (CCIP), so on base we had Block 30, Block 40 without CCIP and Block 40 with CCIP. So that is one base. Think about that when you think of the scale of how many Countries use the F-16. So there are 27 countries that fly it, some like Trukey that produce their own. Israel with their own specific avionics and all with different updates/upgrades schedules. Some get upgrades from SABCA, or Elbit, or Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop, BAE systems , GE, PW or even TAI. Different HUDs, radars, radars mode MFD etc, etc. Another thing to consider is the small updates/upgrades. After CCIP, you still got software upgrades (on some F-16 call OFP), things like new flame holder for the engine ( this is the part where the flame of the AB sits for lack of better words) SAT comms added, etc. To add more, the weapons updates: like GBU-39, laser guided rockets, etc.

 

I never worked on F-16 with chutes but IIRC, they use hydraulics to deploy the chute, so some hydraulic components will be different. The RWR antennas are reposition so structurally that will be different. I would imagine they would have to strengthen the tail where the cute attaches but that just me guessing.

For the conformals: again never saw them in the USAF, so completely guessing. The structure will be different so you can attach the tanks to the top of the jets. Fuel tanks piping would be different. Not sure if installing the tanks changes the weight and balance of the aircraft.

 


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To all the responses thinking I'm being insensitive, that's not the case.

 

In the case of the J-11A, The Team added Lights, and a few small things added a missile to the pylon data, the PFM and Cockpit Systems are still the same as the Su-27.

 

So it's not really the same as making a Variant, then an export version w/ entirely different radar systems etc.

 

I'm not trying to be insensitive, just making sure users are aware that export options arent usually planned for USAF/USN Aircraft.


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besides.. as pointed out the MLU/CCIP versions are basically a quick-fix for vipers to get to the block 40 level and beyond without having to buy new aircraft, meaning that some leftover features from the initial F16A/B spec are bound to be on board. The cockpit layout will be a little different (different RWR, ECM panel, backup comms, etc. etc. due to this legacy effect and varying (european) contractors, but the functionality remains (about) the same in the end, trying to mimic a USAF block type. With exception of the parachute of course, but that is only a trifle compared to all the other features of the plane. This detail I would argue, is a nice to have for F-16 enthusiasts from country X but doesn't bring anything to the table tactically. And I don't think this enthusiast would avoid the Viper in DCS altogether because of to the absence of his/her beloved parachute too. IMHO the benefit of going for the block50/52 (post '93?) is that the cockpit layout and jet configuration is simply more optimised and coherent. And HTS compatible questionmark wink.


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Exactly, or

 

At least I hope they bring to life a comparable or better module of the F-16 to that of one in nameless*cough cough* Bird sim. and in turn brings over more people to DCS and growing the player base.

 

Since excluding the DCS features and Increased Resolution, this Module will be compared to every sim that has depicted the F-16 that came before it.

 

No matter how much time I spend on DCS, I end back up on a nameless sim. Because it is just plain more enjoyable and stutter free. :thumbup:

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I know this has probably already been asked but is there provisions for attaching CFT's to the Block 50?

 

Having that capability would add a lot to the simulation of foreign F-16 users ie Greece, Turkey, UAE, etc

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I know this has probably already been asked but is there provisions for attaching CFT's to the Block 50?

 

Having that capability would add a lot to the simulation of foreign F-16 users ie Greece, Turkey, UAE, etc

 

I hope they do, but I have doubts.

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I know this has probably already been asked but is there provisions for attaching CFT's to the Block 50?

 

Having that capability would add a lot to the simulation of foreign F-16 users ie Greece, Turkey, UAE, etc

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3568597&postcount=302

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3568825&postcount=304

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3599514&postcount=335

Keep in mine that CFT are just one of the many differences when talking about "simulation of foreign F-16 ". Different weapons, radars, radar versions, radar software, flight control software (some call OFP) Different landing gears, lighting, cockpit arrangement, weight, limitation, etc.


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Thanks but that is just a render sobek, I was hoping to see something like this USAF F-16D Block 50 from Shaw AFB. 91-0480

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3389368&postcount=939

This was back in Feb this year, so fairly recent I would say. Shaw AFB being part of ACC and units deploy frequently, they tent to be one of the first in line for updates/upgrades, but it still has only two MFDs.

 

:music_whistling: Had eyes on a USAF 90 F-16C (block 42 though) very recently that has the third MFD. So it is there, just not sure how far operational wide it is considering what this particular jets mission is. Sorry no pictures, as well it's not allowed.


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See if you can get a hold of the 00GV, it should have the TCTO number for the center MFD/screen. That might help us know when it started.

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I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that.

Thank you for you patience.

 

 

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so what is the current status of DCS: F-16? unknown, confirmed, in progress?

It's confirmed that it is beeing developed but the actual state of development is unkown.

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Confirmed officially by ED and they’ve said numerous times “Completing the F/A-18C is our priority at this time”, they’d also said not to expect to hear much more on the F-16C until that is done.

 

 

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Yes, was confirmed a while ago. Still a very long way off though.

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Yea there's this thread... the official info is in the thread title.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3443636#post3443636

 

Though no-one has posted in a while because Wags posted that there will be no further information until 2019 and until the F/A-18 is closer to been completed.

 

It is created by the same team building the F/A-18, so that's why...

 

 

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