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Old 10-22-2019, 11:18 PM   #1
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When I fly a predetermined desired route, I have no difficulty in finding and hitting my desired steer points .... except that I am never quite sure what altitude I'm supposed to be flying at. Other than calling up the Steer Point information on the UFC, is there no other method, like a carret on the altitude tape or something equally simple, to show my desired altitude on the HUD?

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Old 10-23-2019, 04:02 AM   #2
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Kneeboard. Write it down. Remember it. Bunch of different ways. But no there's no info on the HUD that tells you.
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Old 10-23-2019, 04:30 AM   #3
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No altitude guidance in the F-16. The steerpoints are supposed to be on the ground like the Mirage 2000 so even that is unrealistic. Gotta look at the kneeboard for the flight plan.
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:54 AM   #4
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Meanwhile, you could follow some simple rules:

- If there are no long-range SAM threats, fly as high as possible to conserve fuel while maintaining adequate forward speed. I use Mach 0.75 as a ballpark cruise speed. The heavier and draggier you are, the lower you must fly to maintain this speed. Also consider that above 30k ASL you are immune to most short-range SAMs, including Strelas, TORs and Rolands.

- If there are airborne threats you want to hide from visually (especially online with human opponents) fly below or above contrail altitude. This means flying either under 24k feet or above 40k feet for regular conditions, but this could change depending on weather.

- When the approach to the target is heavily defended, you may need to fly NOE (nap-of-the-earth, hugging the ground) in order to evade SAMs or other aircraft. Beware this will consume a lot of fuel and leave you exposed to IR SAMs and MANPADS along the way.

We could talk in length about different flight profiles and its uses (HI-HI-HI, HI-HI-LO, HI-LO-HI etc) but that would be a subject for another day (maybe in a virtual bar drinking virtual beers?)

Cheers!

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Old 10-23-2019, 06:54 AM   #5
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Meanwhile, you could follow some simple rules:

- If there are no long-range SAM threats, fly as high as possible to conserve fuel while maintaining adequate forward speed. I use Mach 0.75 as a ballpark cruise speed. The heavier and draggier you are, the lower you must fly to maintain this speed. Also consider that above 30k ASL you are immune to most short-range SAMs, including Strelas, TORs and Rolands.

- If there are airborne threats you want to hide from visually (especially online with human opponents) fly below or above contrail altitude. This means flying either under 24k feet or above 40k feet for regular conditions, but this could change depending on weather.

- When the approach to the target is heavily defended, you may need to fly NOE (nap-of-the-earth, hugging the ground) in order to evade SAMs or other aircraft. Beware this will consume a lot of fuel and leave you exposed to IR SAMs and MANPADS along the way.

We could talk in length about different flight profiles and its uses (HI-HI-HI, HI-HI-LO, HI-LO-HI etc) but that would be a subject for another day (maybe in a virtual bar drinking virtual beers?)

Cheers!
Hi, I'm very interested in the tactic application of different flight's profile (HI-HI-HI, HI-HI-LO, HI-LO-HI) can You start this "virtual beer", even in anthoer post? Thx.

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Old 10-23-2019, 06:55 AM   #6
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Thanks to all who replied ... for taking the time to assist, and, all the great information.
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:12 AM   #7
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No altitude guidance in the F-16. The steerpoints are supposed to be on the ground like the Mirage 2000 so even that is unrealistic. Gotta look at the kneeboard for the flight plan.
Although rarely used you could set an altitude to each steerpoint. You can program that in the DTC or via the stpt settings in de DED.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:17 AM   #8
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When I fly a predetermined desired route, I have no difficulty in finding and hitting my desired steer points .... except that I am never quite sure what altitude I'm supposed to be flying at. Other than calling up the Steer Point information on the UFC, is there no other method, like a carret on the altitude tape or something equally simple, to show my desired altitude on the HUD?

You won't get carets for speed or altitude unless you are in a cruise mode and I doubt those are installed yet. Works much like FPAS on the 18. As others have stated it is up to the pilot to manage altitude for normal waypoint movement.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:11 PM   #9
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there is a neat scratchpad mod that toggles like the kneeboard. there you can write anything. I mean anything!!
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Old 11-04-2019, 05:40 AM   #10
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Hi, I'm very interested in the tactic application of different flight's profile (HI-HI-HI, HI-HI-LO, HI-LO-HI) can You start this "virtual beer", even in anthoer post? Thx.

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IRL we have to stick with ATO / ACO published transit routes / transit corridors and assigned "flight levels" (altitude blocs) relative to Force QNH (unless we have AWACS clearance to change blocs).

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