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Old 09-14-2018, 09:50 PM   #11
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Yeap FBW means the imput of the pilot goes to a Flight control computer and it moves the surfaces to replicate what the pilot wants to do.

Hydraulics only replicate imputs from the pilot and even provide feedback. the sistem is as old as comertial aviation
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:34 PM   #12
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Ok well I thought there is FBW, and there is "advanced FBW" or so (or "secure FBW" if that already has a name?) where the computer checks which forces on the wings the current airspeed+weapons-load allows (and thus limits hard turns to only 6, 7 or 8 g )
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edited.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:15 AM   #14
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Just because there's FBW on an aircraft it doesn't mean it's programmed to stop you from over controlling.

And there's no FBW and advanced FBW, just FBW which means there's no direct connection from pilot input to the control surfaces.

As for wings snapping, the 6g limit is the official safe limit. You typically get at least 30% more g capability.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:51 AM   #15
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Still, it remains, RAZBAM didn't model that McDonnell Douglas most probably built in a g limiter into AV-8B...
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:25 AM   #16
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I've had that happen a few times. In all those times, it was during AA combat and I was VIFFING at high G 6+. So I am in a turn with half rudder deflection and 60 deg. bank. To Tighten turn radius and increase turn rate I'd VIFF nozzles to 85-90 deg.at full or combat power. Perhaps I pulled a bit more G's then. Then , all of a sudden, a bang inside cockpit, and world starts spinning at unbeleivable rates. Quick switch to external F2 or F4 view shows a missing wing , engine on fire, and gout of flame coming out of hot nozzles. So its ejection time.
In all three cases I was either clean or had 1 AIM-9M per wing, gunpod, and 2500-2700 TOT fuel. No pods, no tanks, no AG stores.
I figured I'd over-G the airframe. I had similar breakups years ago when learning A-10C, and I'd pull 6+ after AG bomb release.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:28 AM   #17
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Still, it remains, RAZBAM didn't model that McDonnell Douglas most probably built in a g limiter into AV-8B...


Do you know that or are you assuming?


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Old 09-15-2018, 04:28 AM   #18
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"VIFF" ? And do you know for sure that A-10C didn't at some point get upgrade to prevent over g?
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Do you know that or are you assuming?


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Assuming ofc. If I were real Harrier Pilot I'd brag about it in my signature I guess xD
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Assuming ofc. If I were real Harrier Pilot I'd brag about it in my signature I guess xD


Well, I’d probably trust the guys who have contact with real harrier pilots for their info then. (Unless you can find a source otherwise)


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