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Old 05-11-2019, 09:23 AM   #1
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Default Nice addition - but... adversaries ?

It´s nice to see na I-16 in DCS, but there is no suitable advesaries.


We only have late war BF-109K and FW-190-D9 (with the A model on the horizon).


So in DCS is not alot of dogfighting to do with an I-16 other than present Yourself as a target - or what do those who allready bought it think ?


Any plan for AI BF-109E/F (War against Soviet) or even BF-109 A-E (Spanish Civil War)versions?
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:17 AM   #2
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Check the WW2 assets pack by plans about them.
https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=558
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:48 AM   #3
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how is 109k not a "fair" matchup but suddenly 109f is "okay" in your books? just because it happened in history? you seem to forget that history is rife with unfair matchups.

that doesn't mean an unfair matchup cant be won
if you think you are nothing but a target for a 109k then you will be nothing but a target for a 109f
but if you know how to leverage your strengths you can fight against the 109k just the same

winning starts in your mind
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Old 05-11-2019, 03:12 PM   #4
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how is 109k not a "fair" matchup but suddenly 109f is "okay" in your books? just because it happened in history? you seem to forget that history is rife with unfair matchups.

that doesn't mean an unfair matchup cant be won
if you think you are nothing but a target for a 109k then you will be nothing but a target for a 109f
but if you know how to leverage your strengths you can fight against the 109k just the same

winning starts in your mind

Sure...


But while the I-16 was better in a turning fight against the BF-109E/F, it was still regarded as obsolete at the outbreak of WW2.
A well flown (not even ace level) BF-109F could pick when and where to engage an I-16.

There are limits to how much a fighting mind and will can do compared to pure performance differences.

Moving to a fight against the BF-109K we have in DCS...
Here we are talking about an 1430 hp (1600 hp emergency) engine against an 1100 hp engine and a max speed of 670 km/h (710 km/h using MW-50) against a max speed of 525 km/h. Climbrate was 3500 ft/min against 2900 ft/min.

So when it comes to fighting will and mind, You should really hope thet the BF-109K guy is a real noob, or posing a lucky shot.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:02 PM   #5
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A well flown (not even ace level) BF-109F could pick when and where to engage an I-16.
So, same as already happens with Spitfire and 109K4. Having a Bf109E available wouldn't change the fact that I-16 shows inferior performances, specially with regards to speed. So probably even having that other early models available people would complain the same about how superior Emil and or Fritz is and how a bad time they have flying the I-16. I see no difference with the current situation really .



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So, same as already happens with Spitfire and 109K4. Having a Bf109E available wouldn't change the fact that I-16 shows inferior performances, specially with regards to speed. So probably even having that other early models available people would complain the same about how superior Emil and or Fritz is and how a bad time they have flying the I-16. I see no difference with the current situation really .



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I agree


I know that it´s up the the 3rd party developers to choose their favorite aircraft, but seeing DCS as a whole, the available and flyable aircraft does not match up very well.


I look forward to the P-47 and FW-190A and hope that they will change the P-51D giving it it´s wartime power.


For a module like the I-16, there should have been at least an AI BF-109E, HE-111 or JU-87.


It´s like Kubica in Formula 1 right now - a guy with an incredible fighting will and the right mindset, but without the right tool to have even the slightest chance towin.
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That'd be gorgeous, though I think earlier models were flying in there.


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I agree


I know that it´s up the the 3rd party developers to choose their favorite aircraft, but seeing DCS as a whole, the available and flyable aircraft does not match up very well.


I look forward to the P-47 and FW-190A and hope that they will change the P-51D giving it it´s wartime power.


For a module like the I-16, there should have been at least an AI BF-109E, HE-111 or JU-87.


It´s like Kubica in Formula 1 right now - a guy with an incredible fighting will and the right mindset, but without the right tool to have even the slightest chance towin.
Yeah, of course I wouldn't say I don't want those models available, IA at first and maybe Bf109E flyable some day.


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Old 05-12-2019, 01:07 AM   #10
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This module is so much fun, but it really shows how fast airplane technology advanced in WW2. I've always known that, but now I REALLY know that lol. Flying this and then flying the late-model 109 is like moving to a rocketship, the hp is just ridiculous! I hope we one day get a P-40 or something that can be on pseudo-equal footing.

This module is so cool, though. It's really well-made but it also gives you a real appreciation for the other late war planes we have. I think it's important to represent all periods of aviation history from the beginning of WW2 to modern jets.

This model, as far as I'm concerned, represents the very genesis of the WW2 fighter!
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