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Old 05-14-2019, 01:11 PM   #41
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We all can read early access, but it doesn't help when there is no communication on known issues, ( or ones brought up by players) from the team.
If the real I-16 had elevator trim then the lack of it in the simulation would be an issue. But since the historical plane didn't, you can't legitimately talk about an issue here. And since it was designed in the early 1930's it's not a real surprise that it was rather basic by our standards.
Christ, it doesn't have an autopilot either! Is that an issue too?
Having that this, it wouldn't have hurt if ED in the announcement had given some specifics about the aircraft design which would have avoided the disappointment some of us experienced...
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:58 AM   #42
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If the real I-16 had elevator trim then the lack of it in the simulation would be an issue. But since the historical plane didn't, you can't legitimately talk about an issue here. And since it was designed in the early 1930's it's not a real surprise that it was rather basic by our standards.
Christ, it doesn't have an autopilot either! Is that an issue too?
Having that this, it wouldn't have hurt if ED in the announcement had given some specifics about the aircraft design which would have avoided the disappointment some of us experienced...
please re read the other users post i responded to which was in response to the video.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:07 AM   #43
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To eliminate the reactive torque of the propeller the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft was installed with displacement from the longitudinal axis of the aircraft. Since the M-22 and M-25 (M-62) engines had a different direction of rotation, the I-16 type 4 had a turn of the the vertical stabilizer to the right by 2 degrees, for all subsequent types the vertical stabilizer was turned to 2 degrees to the left. The horizontal stabilizer could be adjusted on the ground within 3 degrees to achieve the most acceptable loads on the pilot's control stick for different CG options.

We need an option to regulate the stab befor the flight depending on CG, I think this is enough.

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Old 05-15-2019, 08:46 AM   #44
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Maybe from your perspective, but not from mine.

no its not a well known fact to me as someone who generally wasn't really interested in aviation predating ww2. i16 is a Russian plane and i am not fluent in Russian let alone the Cyrillic alphabet, so i have not read over any manuals. It doesn't have the same coverage as more iconic planes from ww2 ( or even pre ww2), and your typical text doesn't blatantly point out "oh btw no trim on such older aircraft"

all other modules from ED list aircraft features.
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of research was on you the consumer they did their job telling you what plane and variant you were getting and it's your fault for not doing your due diligence on the topic.


Lack of information on the plane in the west? I doubt it highly the Russians are very proud of the plane rightly so as it was a watershed moment in aviation history and it had quite an impressive service life. And many books have also been published in English as well like those by Mikhail Maslov. His books might be a good place to start to spare you any further embarrassment though you might be used to it.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:23 AM   #45
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To eliminate the reactive torque of the propeller the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft was installed with displacement from the longitudinal axis of the aircraft. Since the M-22 and M-25 (M-62) engines had a different direction of rotation, the I-16 type 4 had a turn of the the vertical stabilizer to the right by 2 degrees, for all subsequent types the vertical stabilizer was turned to 2 degrees to the left. The horizontal stabilizer could be adjusted on the ground within 3 degrees to achieve the most acceptable loads on the pilot's control stick for different CG options.

We need an option to regulate the stab befor the flight depending on CG, I think this is enough.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:48 AM   #46
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Lack of information on the plane in the west? I doubt it highly the Russians are very proud of the plane rightly so as it was a watershed moment in aviation history and it had quite an impressive service life. And many books have also been published in English as well like those by Mikhail Maslov. His books might be a good place to start to spare you any further embarrassment though you might be used to it.
Nobody should even need a book / manual for this, as it's pretty common knowledge that this thing didn't have, nor is trim any kind of must have for a plane.
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what are you even flying this airplane for if you cut out every distinctive aspect just because its an inconvenience?
This!

It's be like saying, I really like the AV-8B and all, but not having A-A radar is an inconvenience, option please?

As for options with auto rudder for takeoff assistance, near enough all of us (I imagine have sticks) but a few of us (most? some? throw me a bone here) don't have pedals and have fairly lackluster yaw control, and for some WWII birds are a pain in the backside to take off even with pedals, let alone with a twisting joystick.

I don't personally use it, but to me adding trim would be kind-of like giving aircraft easy mode flight characteristics, or more convenient radars, or weapons.
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Nobody should even need a book / manual for this, as it's pretty common knowledge that this thing didn't have, nor is trim any kind of must have for a plane.
That is true as well
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:48 PM   #49
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Nobody should even need a book / manual for this, as it's pretty common knowledge that this thing didn't have, nor is trim any kind of must have for a plane.

Au contraire, despite the common parroting some others have discovered that does have a form of trim, just not adjustable mid flight. This will reduce the amount of pressure on the control stick needed to keep it level.




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To eliminate the reactive torque of the propeller the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft was installed with displacement from the longitudinal axis of the aircraft. Since the M-22 and M-25 (M-62) engines had a different direction of rotation, the I-16 type 4 had a turn of the the vertical stabilizer to the right by 2 degrees, for all subsequent types the vertical stabilizer was turned to 2 degrees to the left. The horizontal stabilizer could be adjusted on the ground within 3 degrees to achieve the most acceptable loads on the pilot's control stick for different CG options.

We need an option to regulate the stab befor the flight depending on CG, I think this is enough.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:49 PM   #50
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It would seem the burden
of research was on you the consumer they did their job telling you what plane and variant you were getting and it's your fault for not doing your due diligence on the topic.


Lack of information on the plane in the west? I doubt it highly the Russians are very proud of the plane rightly so as it was a watershed moment in aviation history and it had quite an impressive service life. And many books have also been published in English as well like those by Mikhail Maslov. His books might be a good place to start to spare you any further embarrassment though you might be used to it.
Perhaps its the ones who were spreading ( however unintentional), misinformation should be the ones who should be embarrassed before scalding others for not doing enough research before pre purchasing a module. Seriously I16 might be some ones passion plane here, with some things being obvious for them, but not everyone is a know it all with regards to every single aircraft in existence and their intricate trivia, especially if its not some well known icon.
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