Can we get a clean jet?

yes If your nice to your maintenance crew maybe they will give your Hornet a nice wash, so its "clean" :megalol:

Are you just going to argue ab absurdum?

 

Can pylons be removed on real aircraft? Yes. Then we are asking for them to be removable.

 

ED is already including paints from other countries even though "Hornet is based on USN holy realism manual bible 3000 and surely no USN aircraft ever flown with Swiss cross!", I'm sure they can add one simple animation argument to remove the pylons.

If that were the case, we'd have Refueling Boom, and AGM-65's on the F-5E already.

If that were the case, we'd have Refueling Boom, and AGM-65's on the F-5E already.

wasn't that supposed to be due to an insufficient data about how that worked in the F-5...:music_whistling:

If that were the case, we'd have Refueling Boom, and AGM-65's on the F-5E already.

its not quite the same thing.

Because Thats are different F5E models. Much more drastic changes than simple Pylon Mounting or Removal. It can be removed so it should be.

For the sake of Greater diversity of aircraft's application we ought to have this feature. F18's for airshows for EG have been flown without any underwing pylons. ( even non Blue angel Hornets).

So in short i Agree with George.

wasn't that supposed to be due to an insufficient data about how that worked in the F-5...:music_whistling:

That was just a test, USAF fleet did not have Mavs. AFAIK.

I'm sure they can add one simple animation argument to remove the pylons.

I'm sure it's much more complex than that, it's also about drag and weight, so they would need to change the FM quite a bit in theory.

its not quite the same thing.

 

Because Thats are different F5E models. Much more drastic changes than simple Pylon Mounting or Removal. It can be removed so it should be.

 

For the sake of Greater diversity of aircraft's application we ought to have this feature. F18's for airshows for EG have been flown without any underwing pylons. ( even non Blue angel Hornets).

 

So in short i Agree with George.

Canadian CF-188's arent F/A-18C Lot 20s, (Each Exported F/A-18A/B/C/D has Specific Items added/removed and by all rights are different models.)

Neither are Swiss or Finnish F/A-18s, w/ the MLU/IMP Phases they are closer in Avionics to Super Hornets and the F/A-18C+ the Marines are getting,

They Have had their wings replaced w/ heavier structured frames , etc etc.

Same Principle.

USAF F-5E-3s Never deployed AGM-65 Capability to the Fleet, it was tested to ensure it would work for Export Option.

That was just a test, USAF fleet did not have Mavs. AFAIK.

 

 

 

I'm sure it's much more complex than that, it's also about drag and weight, so they would need to change the FM quite a bit in theory.

Canadian CF-188's arent F/A-18C Lot 20s, (Each Exported F/A-18A/B/C/D has Specific Items added/removed and by all rights are different models.)

Neither are Swiss or Finnish F/A-18s, w/ the MLU/IMP Phases they are closer in Avionics to Super Hornets and the F/A-18C+ the Marines are getting,

They Have had their wings replaced w/ heavier structured frames , etc etc.

 

Same Principle.

 

USAF F-5E-3s Never deployed AGM-65 Capability to the Fleet, it was tested to ensure it would work for Export Option.

Well, I wasn't refering to how realistic to the USAF "standards" it was but to including things or not into DCS planes...here you have:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3156092&postcount=4

looks like we would have mavs on the F-5 if they know how they work...so dont know why we cant have a clean F-18 due to "not being a USAF standard config"...:)

Canadian CF-188's arent F/A-18C Lot 20s, (Each Exported F/A-18A/B/C/D has Specific Items added/removed and by all rights are different models.)

Neither are Swiss or Finnish F/A-18s, w/ the MLU/IMP Phases they are closer in Avionics to Super Hornets and the F/A-18C+ the Marines are getting,

They Have had their wings replaced w/ heavier structured frames , etc etc.

 

Same Principle.

 

USAF F-5E-3s Never deployed AGM-65 Capability to the Fleet, it was tested to ensure it would work for Export Option.

But those diffeernces are Internal mostly. at the end of the day their still F/a18C "air frames". So nope not the same thing.

BUt Blue Angels do use C Hornets( They are A US navy aerobatic team, Not foreign)..... and they fly with clean wings...... *sigh*.

Besides despite some differences this isn't stopping ED from making Swiss or Finnish Hornets skins. IF we cant have a Hornet with Clean wing option, then by your logic neither should we have skins of anything that isn't used on a F/A18C Lot 20 hornet

Well, I wasn't refering to how realistic to the USAF "standards" it was but to including things or not into DCS planes...here you have:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3156092&postcount=4

 

looks like we would have mavs on the F-5 if they know how they work...so dont know why we cant have a clean F-18 due to "not being a USAF standard config"...:)

basically this.

These arguments are bordering "strawman"

The Hornet is very much capable of flying without pylons, and hornets have been flown like that. Many aircraft flown into combat configuration Almost always has underwing pylons for weapons and or fuel tanks. We all get this is the most common type of configuration.

Blue Angels F/A-18Cs go through a modification process. They arent simply fleet birds painted blue..

Canadian Airframes are A/Bs that have undergone Life extensions,

Export Airframes are wired a little bit dofferently to meet Export Needs.

I'd Like to have Clean option as well, since I do Tact. Demo's on my own time.

But quite Frankly, at this point, Pylons being removed is not a seriously important thing to have for an early access standpoint.

I'm not saying it shouldn't have that option lol, I was talking to Skate two-three hours ago about this, I'd love to have that as an option to use whenever I want. I'm sure he would like too. I don't think anybody here is saying that. Everybody would like that option. But just don't mix the things up, USN Hornet isn't the Swiss one, Canadian one etc, That's what he is saying from my understanding.

Given that the functionality is already present in the F-5E and other recent aircraft, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't also there for the Hornet.

i want a slick F/A-18

I think what the mods are trying to get across is that this functionality is not exactly top priority for Eagle Dynamics at the moment.

It also involves a fair bit of work. If the FM is finalized or close to finalized for the module, removing the pylons would probably require more FM calculations, due to effects of pylons on drag, lift, mass distribution etc. etc.

I don't think people should expect this "feature" to be part of early access, however I think it would probably be fair to say that people who simply do aerobatics with their DCS modules would be overjoyed if it was added at some later point in time.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3186028&postcount=3444

There is your answers guys first question. Clean hornet will be there.

Yep... that's great.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3186028&postcount=3444

 

 

There is your answers guys first question. Clean hornet will be there.

fantastic.

good to know

fantastic.

 

good to know

For you Air Show Aerobatic team makers