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Old 04-12-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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Default F-18 grip, WARTHOG and X-55 compatible

Update, 23.08.2016.

Actual prototypes being built every week:




Update, 06.30.2016.


Here's what you'll see from me in the next 6-12 months, piece by piece (not all at once!):

Priority No.1 is warthog spring mod
Priority No.2 is IR head tracker


after that:

F-18 grips
You know everything, they're ready to go, I just need to see how I can couple them up with my own hotas, again to unify the parts and processes. They are going to be cheap, If you had to take a guess you'd be waay over. However, after simplifying every other manufacturing process, turns out these grips are the most complex thing here. Don't be mad if there'll be other products for sale before them because other products is exactly what will pay for your cheap grips.

General purpose aviation panel (for FC3)
Excuse the missing landing gear and tail hook levers. Just another example of why I do multiple developments at once. It took several other products to develop a unified lever mechanism for them all, which speeds up manufacturing, which brings down pricing and drives volume up. Now I'm not the only one who can do this, but you might be farmiliar that single panels/buttons boxes go for 200-300$, I am aiming for 99$, again not really possible on it's own, but with a dozen other products, very possible. With some help from developers, we can make it truly plug'n'play like the warthog.

PRO aviation panels (for DCS)

I started on the A-10 but that thing is a monster, I may have to switch to the F-18 or any other available model because they're at least 4x less complex. And again, you A-10 guys would have to pay a gazillion bucks for something like this if I only did the A-10, but other modules are what's going to pay for your cheap A-10 panels, even if I make them at a slight loss.

General WWII aviation panels
These will be toned down versions of the pro WWII panels.
(see example below)

PRO WWII aviation panels

These will be full blown left/right panels, every single command functional even the rolling canopy open/close, clamp to your desk, put on a stand once you're finished and be the coolest friend to come over for a beer to. Each side will be cheaper then a couple generic button boxes available today. Started with P-51 because it's at least 4x more complex than any other WWII cockpit I looked at, so it gives me the worst case scenario pricing.

Plane specific 'hotas'

Throttle/collective and joystick/cyclic bases, with replaceable grips.

Instruments, for everything eventually.
Working mechanical instruments, including digit counters and lcd/digit displays for modern jets.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:46 PM   #2
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Nice! How easily is it to make molds for pouring aluminum? I know the original is made out of resin, but it'd be awesome to feel metal in your hands...

One concern I have is the hat switches - they look like they have small throw... One of the things that makes Cougar/Warthog stand apart from the earlier TM sticks (F22 pro and etc) is the larger throw hat switches, making them feel more industrial.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:00 PM   #3
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you cant submit the design to thrustmaster?
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:21 PM   #4
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The molds are 'easy' to make if you know what you're doing

I did this to see how much it would cost if printed directly. Next I will make internal changes to the model to make it cast-able.

If the original is made out of resin, even better. I'll be buying resin casting equipment anyway. Just have to stock up on models, so I have something to work on as soon as I get it.

The switches have 8 degree throw, that comes out to 2mm at the top of the hats (in any direction). If the general opinion is that it needs more, I just put the switches deeper into the housing.

I would submit the design to TM, if they could price it less than 120$, otherwise I can make them cheaper myself. And I would have to design it to be injection molded which is not something I am farmiliar with, yet.

On the other hand I see simple extension tubes going for 120 bucks, so the joke could be on me
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:43 PM   #5
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I wouldn't mind having a 3d printed version.. it would be lighter
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:09 PM   #6
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What will you charge to make a F-15E stick and throttle grips? I might be able to do the electronics myself (not rely on thrustmaster).
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:31 PM   #7
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This is what I know for sure. 250$ per piece if printed from an online printing service. With the throttles, probably around 400$.

When I make my own 3d printer, for 400-600$ I would include a whole set, including 4-8 different stick and throttle grips.
'Cause in the model above, there is 6-8$ worth of plastic, whether printed or cast.

Oh and forgot to mention, the buttons and switches in the above model are good quality, 5-6$ a piece. The buttons have a 5N operating force.
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For $120,I'd be interested.
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:47 PM   #9
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For $120 I'd want metal/aluminum Don't mind assembling parts myself though!
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Old 04-12-2013, 06:05 PM   #10
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I wouldn't mind it at 120$ either. Good price for a replacement grip.
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