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I had my pc built at a local computer shop which has now gone bust. So I can't take it back to check everything was installed properly. I know the basics but not enough to find any fault. I've thought in the past that it wasn't very quick for an ssd. My friends dcs loads quicker off his hdd.

 

Yes, DSR is definitely disabled.

Are you running Samsung Magician? If so what are your speeds at when testing them?

My 960 EVO runs @ 3000 MB read / 1800 Write

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Are you running Samsung Magician? If so what are your speeds at when testing them?

 

 

 

My 960 EVO runs @ 3000 MB read / 1800 Write

 

 

 

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Trying to upload a screenshot, but my sequential read is 2550

sequential write is 2074

random read is 30,504

random write is 20,585

that's with RAPID mode enabled on that ssd which holds DCS, not windows 7.

Jester i have a bad feeling that something is throttling in your computer. my opinion is to check your temps, MB , CPU or GPU and if everything is ok then make(ooops) full reinstall :-)

Jester i have a bad feeling that something is throttling in your computer. my opinion is to check your temps, MB , CPU or GPU and if everything is ok then make(ooops) full reinstall :-)

I'll have a look and post some pictures when I'm home... however this is a relatively fresh install and I only just installed dcs a few months ago.

Jester i have a bad feeling that something is throttling in your computer. my opinion is to check your temps, MB , CPU or GPU and if everything is ok then make(ooops) full reinstall :-)

All my temps seem ok to me. Here are some screens of my BIOS and overclock. Can anyone see any issues with it?

Thank you mate! :thumbup:

 

Does anyone play DCS in 4K with a 40-42" monitor?

I do, and I'm really happy with this setup. I came from a triple monitor but 43" 4K is a better overall experience.

@ J3st3r, it also takes more time for me loading with the 4k setup, but not 4-5 mins, maybe 2 mins maximum.

I do, and I'm really happy with this setup. I came from a triple monitor but 43" 4K is a better overall experience.

 

@ J3st3r, it also takes more time for me loading with the 4k setup, but not 4-5 mins, maybe 2 mins maximum.

Sounds good. Could please post a short video or picture how does it look like on a 43" 4K monitor? So I could compare between a 32" and 43" screen. Would be really great!

All my temps seem ok to me. Here are some screens of my BIOS and overclock. Can anyone see any issues with it?

You need to see the temps when under full load, at idle it should power down and be cool, the question is, how hot does it get when running DCS? You have a good cooler, someone here awhile back had a problem where it wasn't seated on the CPU properly, not saying that's your problem, but worth a look because something is really slowing your PC down in sim and when launching a mission.

Unfortunately I have 2 ssd's installed in my build. A 128gb samsung evo for Windows and then a 512gb Samsung evo 860 pro just for dcs. Its just the loading times are not far short of 5 mins in 4k. They werent that bad in 1080p so I assumed faster ram would help?

Jester i have a bad feeling that something is throttling in your computer. my opinion is to check your temps, MB , CPU or GPU and if everything is ok then make(ooops) full reinstall :-)

I have the Corsair link setup on a second monitor so I can see the temps when testing settings.

This is a pic below running a test program called Prime, it pushes your PC to it's limits to see if it's stable when overclocked. Look at the speed and utilization, even if you perhaps use something like Real temp to do a quick test, Launch DCS, once loaded pause, then Alt / Tab out to desktop to look at the temps if you don't have a second monitor.

Wow...1,44vcore !!! Be cautious ! Delidded ??

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You need to see the temps when under full load, at idle it should power down and be cool, the question is, how hot does it get when running DCS? You have a good cooler, someone here awhile back had a problem where it wasn't seated on the CPU properly, not saying that's your problem, but worth a look because something is really slowing your PC down in sim and when launching a mission.

 

 

 

 

 

I have the Corsair link setup on a second monitor so I can see the temps when testing settings.

 

This is a pic below running a test program called Prime, it pushes your PC to it's limits to see if it's stable when overclocked. Look at the speed and utilization, even if you perhaps use something like Real temp to do a quick test, Launch DCS, once loaded pause, then Alt / Tab out to desktop to look at the temps if you don't have a second monitor.

 

The picture below was taken after DCS had been playing for 5 mins. This was the huey instant action free flight mission. Unfortunately it took 12 mins 31 secs to load. Anyone notice anything out or that could be causing any issues?

The picture below was taken after DCS had been playing for 5 mins. This was the huey instant action free flight mission. Unfortunately it took 12 mins 31 secs to load. Anyone notice anything out or that could be causing any issues?

WHAT ??? 12min31sec ??? No, this is by far very strange !!!

Looking at your CPU usage..something else is hogging your CPU as well.

2 things come to my mind:

1: Update your SSD Firmware via Samsung-Magician

2: Optimize your drive ( right click the Volume and go to defrag, then optimize the drive, takes 10sec.. Should be done automatically once a week but you never know ! THIS IS NOT A DEFRAG !)

YOu should download a few test suites and compare your overall PC performance with similar rigs.

Have MSI AFterburner Overlay open and check your VRAM, CPU, RAM and SWAP usage.

Somewhere there is the indicator what and why things get so slowed down.

Open TaskManager while you game, even in WINDOWED mode at lesser resolution and watch your TASK list, what else consumes like 10-15% CPU ?? AntiVirus ?? something is causing anything above 25% Load. My load with an i7 ( 8 threads ) is somewhere around 23% consistently.

12min31sec...NO ! This is way OFF

If nothing helps...BLANK the drives and do it again ;)

I know...not very nice but maybe a quicker road to success.

If nothing helps...BLANK the drives and do it again ;)

 

I know...not very nice but maybe a quicker road to success.

Do you think the issue is with the ssd? Samsung firmwire is up to date. I'll run a defrag to see if anything comes of it but that ssd was clean and a fresh install of dcs a few months ago.

Wow...1,44vcore !!! Be cautious ! Delidded ??

 

 

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That was a pic from when I first built and overclocked Bitmaster, she does spike when at 5G. I wasn't sure if that was ok based on your settings here? The temps still don't go past 90, only running @ 4.8 at the moment, playing a round with VR so I'm pushing my 1070 for more fps.:)

After some serious number crunching at 100% load on CPU and GPU for a few weeks now and some new Bios I have again fine tuned my settings. Might be of Interest for you too.

 

The values in my sig for vCore ( 1.330v ; PhaseControl; LLC; and max Ampere allowed; ALL TO BE FOUND IN DIGI-VRM ! ) are ONLY needed to pass the hardest of the tests meanwhile, while also raising the temps CONSIDERABLY above good&bad.

 

For 5G with DCS and everyday use I use "default" Digi-VRM values ( LLC = 2 on default ) and 1.300v on vCore. This drops temps by ~15°C.

Lowering LLC from 2nd highest value to 2nd lowest is the biggest temp drop for me.

 

You might wanna check Asus website for a new Bios for your board as well, I think the newer Bios' made it possible, also my RAM "behaves" better when I oc it to 3733 or 3866.

 

Tbh, for my daily and sometimes 24/7 number crunching for the [H]ard|OCP team I DOWNCLOCK my rig to 4.2G on all cores and put the GPU to a modest 1150MHz setting.

It would be stupid to burn the machine in full-hardcore-oc for days and days in 24/7 with NFS@Home, MilkyWay or any other Boinc/Formula project.

 

Bottom line, check LLC if you can set it lower if yours is above default for 5G stresstesting.

On my Digi-VRM for this profile it set it to Level 2 for CPU load-line

and max out the CPU current capability when it built this profile? what is your setting for CPU current there Bit? Is this why it would spike to 1.4 when using the 5G profile.

EDIT Sniped: Have you got any thoughts Bitmaster on what would be throttling J3ST3R PC? It seems something here is not right with it, going off load times and fps with the setup he has.

Thanks Bitmaster.

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I have 2 settings for 5G:

1: DCS , Blender, IntelBurnTest and other light loads run on 1.300vCore and LLC-2 ( default ), no other changes.

2: prime95 29.3(AVX) really needs 1.350 vCore or it fails, temps then get very hairy, 90+C° at times. Also LLC needs higher value ( 2nd highest ) as well as 140%CPU-Power and Extreme setting for Phase Control. That causes the temps to go UP with each click up the ladder. I would really need to delid it if I actually wanted to run it this way. It runs stable but it would wear out too quick and just BURN LoL.... only prime95 is THAT TOUGH, not even IBT gets close at MAX value ( max Mem )

My vDimm is 1.3530 for EASY loads like DCS, Blender but IBT or Prime really want 1.40V to run proper, at default4.2/4.5 the 1.350 is ok and wont fail, only when I up to 5G I also need to up vDimm.

I just thought...1.44...OMG he's gonnas ruin it quickly...LoL..

edit: note in my sig: VCCIO and VCCSA are set automatically to that value, if I lower them the machine wont properly boot. Maybe a payoff for the mid-tier board, maybe a Hero or Apex etc..( 350+ € ) would be better, dunno

edit2* : forgot, the values got better ( lower ) with the 1004 Bios last month, before I had to have 1.40vDimm everywhere and XMP wouldnt boot properly, even at default. Now it does !

WHAT ??? 12min31sec ??? No, this is by far very strange !!!

 

Looking at your CPU usage..something else is hogging your CPU as well.

 

 

2 things come to my mind:

 

1: Update your SSD Firmware via Samsung-Magician

2: Optimize your drive ( right click the Volume and go to defrag, then optimize the drive, takes 10sec.. Should be done automatically once a week but you never know ! THIS IS NOT A DEFRAG !)

 

YOu should download a few test suites and compare your overall PC performance with similar rigs.

 

Have MSI AFterburner Overlay open and check your VRAM, CPU, RAM and SWAP usage.

Somewhere there is the indicator what and why things get so slowed down.

 

Open TaskManager while you game, even in WINDOWED mode at lesser resolution and watch your TASK list, what else consumes like 10-15% CPU ?? AntiVirus ?? something is causing anything above 25% Load. My load with an i7 ( 8 threads ) is somewhere around 23% consistently.

 

12min31sec...NO ! This is way OFF

Bitmaster.... How do I check my VRAM, CPU, RAM and SWAP usage? If there is an indicator that shows where the slow down is then that's what I need to do?!

Here's a screen of msi running a test

Bitmaster.... How do I check my VRAM, CPU, RAM and SWAP usage? If there is an indicator that shows where the slow down is then that's what I need to do?!

 

Here's a screen of msi running a test

1: Install MSI Afterburner

2: edit OPTIONS accordingly: "see attached pic", choose all values that you want to monitor.

As said, you may need to run it windowed in a lwer res to have an instant view at task manager, your CPU usage is too high for DCS alone, 25% is max for 2 cores with an i7 based system, 12.5% per thread/core.

1: Install MSI Afterburner

2: edit OPTIONS accordingly: "see attached pic", choose all values that you want to monitor.

 

As said, you may need to run it windowed in a lwer res to have an instant view at task manager, your CPU usage is too high for DCS alone, 25% is max for 2 cores with an i7 based system, 12.5% per thread/core.

Ok done that. Cpu is generally running at 33%. Anything on the task list that shouldn't be there or not needed?

Ok done that. Cpu is generally running at 33%. Anything on the task list that shouldn't be there or not needed?

Please ALSO check that "show processes from ALL users" as well, thta's where the other percentages come from, must be a sys task, Antivirus or something like that.

BTW, you should move to 10, really ! My personal tip..and that may solve your problem too.

...sort the process table by "CPU", so we see all tasks that consume a lot of CPU.

Please ALSO check that "show processes from ALL users" as well, thta's where the other percentages come from, must be a sys task, Antivirus or something like that.

 

BTW, you should move to 10, really ! My personal tip..and that may solve your problem too.

 

 

...sort the process table by "CPU", so we see all tasks that consume a lot of CPU.

Ok I'll do that. What do you mean by I should move to 10?

Please ALSO check that "show processes from ALL users" as well, thta's where the other percentages come from, must be a sys task, Antivirus or something like that.

 

BTW, you should move to 10, really ! My personal tip..and that may solve your problem too.

 

 

...sort the process table by "CPU", so we see all tasks that consume a lot of CPU.

Is the system idle process right and is there anything else there? Sorry, I'm not very good at this obviously lol

Ok I'll do that. What do you mean by I should move to 10?

Yep, I do like Windows 10, never had a problem with it (Yet) touch wood.

Also I did a quick search and found this thread on Steam

Seems it could be driver related like Bitmaster said.

Your problem is software/drivers. For SSD, need to make sure that AHCI is enabled in BIOS and it's NOT set to IDE or RAID or SATA even, AHCI ONLY. Any SSD will be slow if that setting is not correctly set. Also disable defragmentation and indexing on the SSD.

Perhaps try reinstalling the drivers and test by turning off things etc.

Download the latest drivers for your motherboard, your PC BIOS ver ie 1304 seen HERE in your pics, latest 2702, download the one for your Windows 64 bit.

https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/Z97PRO/HelpDesk_Download/

Scroll to bottom (Visual C++ Redistributable 2017) x64

https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/

Check the drive settings in the advance tab, SATA configuration: AHCI.

Latest SSD Drivers http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/consumer.html

Disable Antivirus for a quick test.

Right Click DCS Icon and run as Administrator when launching.

You might want to wait till Bitmaster gets back to you with checking the AHCI / Drivers, not sure about the AHCI thing if setup wrong from the start and how to fix it, if thats the problem? I was reading about a problem HERE

If you end up going to Win 10, I would do a full clean install to get this PC runnig right, it should be quite a powerfull fast system. 4.6Ghz / Corsair H100i / 1080ti

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If you are not running AHCI than that could explain the slow SSD. Sadly, if it is like that, you will have to reinstall from scratch. If you change the setting in Bios your Windows will fail to boot. It can only be choosen PRIOR to installing the OS.

Update the Bios as well as the Samsung driver & firmware, if there are newer ones.

Now to your table of process list: I actually dont see any task occupying the CPU. Maybe you can try disabling/deinstalling AVast if you can, just to be sure it's not a low-level file access issue. Often, disabling is not enough but a full deinstall is needed. There are maybe other things that you can turn off while you run DCS/games. I actually close them all, it's a habit from old days and usually a modern CPU should do it all without issues but you also actually never know until you have tried it. So end all processes in your TaskBar that you dont need, only TiR, NVpanel, Hotas software..the real bare bone needed.

10 = short for "WINDOWS 10" ;)

If you are not running AHCI than that could explain the slow SSD. Sadly, if it is like that, you will have to reinstall from scratch. If you change the setting in Bios your Windows will fail to boot. It can only be choosen PRIOR to installing the OS.

 

Update the Bios as well as the Samsung driver & firmware, if there are newer ones.

 

Now to your table of process list: I actually dont see any task occupying the CPU. Maybe you can try disabling/deinstalling AVast if you can, just to be sure it's not a low-level file access issue. Often, disabling is not enough but a full deinstall is needed. There are maybe other things that you can turn off while you run DCS/games. I actually close them all, it's a habit from old days and usually a modern CPU should do it all without issues but you also actually never know until you have tried it. So end all processes in your TaskBar that you dont need, only TiR, NVpanel, Hotas software..the real bare bone needed.

 

10 = short for "WINDOWS 10" ;)

I'm going to take a trip down pc world after work and pick Windows 10 so will start from scratch. I know AHCI is enabled. From what I remember, Samsung mag has the latest firmwire for the drives. I'll let you know how things are after win10 is on. Again, thanks for all the help.

W A I T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to buy 10 if you have a retail Win7 !

Try this link, IT IS LEGAL:

https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/accessibility/windows10upgrade