TimeKilla Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Interesting video looks at the cockpit and sub systems and display screens. :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube. Link to comment
TimeKilla Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) It was said the RAF removed the gun and filled it with some type of concrete but this changed its fight physics so they decided to put the gun inside the wing but not to wire the subsystems so it could not fire. According to this video it looks like it will have one and be fully functional. Not sure if anyone else could shed some light? Found this: In 2001, it was announced that the Royal Air Force (RAF) would not use the aircraft's internal 27 mm Mauser cannon. This was due to a desire to save money by removing gun support costs, ammunition stocks, training costs, etc. The gun was also deemed unnecessary since the missile armament was believed to be adequate in the Typhoon's fighter role. However, because removal of the cannon would affect the aircraft's flight characteristics, requiring modification of the aircraft's flight software the RAF decided that all of its Typhoons would be fitted with the cannon but that it would not be used or supported. The service argued that this would save money by reducing the requirement for ground equipment, removing training costs and avoiding the fatigue effects of firing the cannon. The RAF maintained the option to activate the cannons at very short notice were operational requirements to change.[14] However in a third change of policy, the Daily Telegraph reported on 3 October 2006 that the RAF will fully utilise the cannon.[15] MoD for you :doh: Edited September 17, 2013 by TimeKilla :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube. Link to comment
Eddie Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) The typhoon has always had a gun fitted. There were thoughts of not fitting one during development, but that idea went away before the jet became operational. Not only is it fitted, but it's in use and regularly loaded. It was "unused" during early service, but that was as much due to software/technical issues as MoD penny pinching. Although there was certainly some civil servant short sighted annual budget saving idiocy involved along the way. Edited September 17, 2013 by Eddie 1 Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment
diveplane Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 was a deadly mistake during Vietnam not out fitting early f-4 phantoms with a gun platform. imo was a good call to outfit the Eurofighter with one, would have been a mistake not to add one into the airframe. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment
GGTharos Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The deadly mistake was not training BFM. was a deadly mistake during Vietnam not out fitting early f-4 phantoms with a gun platform. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment
MTFDarkEagle Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The deadly mistake was not training BFM. ^ This!! LgLLBsmFrkI Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread Link to comment
Dudikoff Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) The deadly mistake was not training BFM. Yes, but it goes hand in hand with supplying the missiles untested in operational conditions (e.g. fired from an aircraft which is maneuvering) and with severe engagement restrictions. Edited November 26, 2013 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment
Mr_Burns Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think it was all a bit of nonsense, I thought it was germany who didnt want the gun, RAF were always going to get it. You should see the size of the Gun Cabinet at Warton. Link to comment
Tango Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Uhh you know the gun was an afterthought on the F-4? It only got a gun pod because they realized during Vietnam that they needed a gun! Best regards, Tango. Link to comment
SUBS17 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 That's because their missiles weren't the best at hitting their targets, IMO guns a good backup for both A/A and A/G and also when the tgt is to close for missiles. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment
komemiute Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Looks pretty cheap. :D Good thing is just a training mock-up. I prefer the real one (or the ASTA sim) every day of the week. Link to comment
Alicatt Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The Daily Telegraph just published a 360° view of the Typhoon cockpit it is zoomable too. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10508091/Amazing-360-degree-look-inside-Britains-newest-Typhoon-fighter.html Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron Link to comment
Pyroflash Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The deadly mistake was not training BFM. During Korea, the Navy kill ratio was 12 to one. We shot down 12 of their jets for every one of ours. During Vietnam, that ratio fell to three to one. Our pilots became dependent upon missiles. They had lost some of their dogfighting skills. Top Gun was created to teach ACM, air combat maneuvering, dogfighting, and by the end of Vietnam, that ratio was back up to 12 to one. :pilotfly: 1 If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground. Link to comment
Lusik Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It really amazes me how simple the cockpit is. http://eplatanie.wordpress.com/ Link to comment
danilop Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The Daily Telegraph just published a 360° view of the Typhoon cockpit it is zoomable too. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10508091/Amazing-360-degree-look-inside-Britains-newest-Typhoon-fighter.html Ahhhh, you Brits ... The zooming on mouse scroll wheel is in reverse, of course ... :megalol: P.S. Great, plain and simple cockpit design :thumbup: Link to comment
Suchacz Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I love those buttons with mini LCD screens. But I wouldn't be glad if I would be responsible of its maintenance. The more of this little gadgets - the more things that can be broken :D Edited December 16, 2013 by Suchacz Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2 Link to comment
outlawal2 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I love those buttons with mini LCD screens. But I wouldn't be glad if I would be responsible of its maintenance. The more of this little gadgets - the more things that can be broken :D I am not disagreeing with what you said, but as the world moves forward, it is funny how history.. (And statements) repeat.. Here are a few similar statements I have made in the past about changes in technology... What do we need electric start for? My kick starter works just great! (Motorcycles) I am not sure I want electric windows and door locks becasue they are just another thing that will break... (cars) Now today good luck in finding a street motorcycle that even HAS a kick starter... And nearly every car today has electric windows and door locks.. Just sayin'... It IS interesting how the new-fangled gadgets often become mainstream and it doesn't usually take all that long to happen.. "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO Link to comment
Eddie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I love those buttons with mini LCD screens. But I wouldn't be glad if I would be responsible of its maintenance. The more of this little gadgets - the more things that can be broken :D The MHDDs are actually one of the more reliable LRIs, in fact the cockpit systems are pretty good in general, and even if they do break you just take out the whole LRI and replace it. It's all the myriad of black boxes in the avionics bay etc. that can be a pain. Edited December 16, 2013 by Eddie Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment
Suchacz Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You are right of course, I was kinda joking ;) I'm not a real fan of this fancy modern sophisticated systems and full glass cockpits, I'm more an old-school-analog-stick&rudder (rotorhead)guy :pilotfly::thumbup: ...but that doesn't mean, that I'm not impressed by that! Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2 Link to comment
outlawal2 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You are right of course, I was kinda joking ;) I'm not a real fan of this fancy modern sophisticated systems and full glass cockpits, I'm more an old-school-analog-stick&rudder (rotorhead)guy :pilotfly::thumbup: ...but that doesn't mean, that I'm not impressed by that! I am a rotorhead myself, but since I am an I/T geek as well, I want to see an ultra modern helicopter with a full glass cockpit so I was simply gutted when the Comanche was cancelled ... Truly sad day that... :( "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO Link to comment
Ells228 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 During Korea, the Navy kill ratio was 12 to one. We shot down 12 of their jets for every one of ours. During Vietnam, that ratio fell to three to one. Our pilots became dependent upon missiles. They had lost some of their dogfighting skills. Top Gun was created to teach ACM, air combat maneuvering, dogfighting, and by the end of Vietnam, that ratio was back up to 12 to one. :pilotfly: And I bet you knew that statement off by heart didn't you :pilotfly: Now dammit, I'm gonna have to go and watch the film, just to prove you got it wrong :thumbup: Thanks for 360degs cockpit link, yep she sure is simple, so about time I got working on her I hear you cry!! Link to comment
Eddie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 .....so about time I got working on her I hear you cry!! Best let us finish the real one (or at least P2E) first so you have something to base it on. ;) Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment
Ells228 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well basing on Tranche 2 at the moment but yeah would be nice, get to it ;) lol Link to comment
Paradox Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well basing on Tranche 2 at the moment but yeah would be nice, get to it ;) lol Is that the one with Brimstone and Storm Shadow? Link to comment
Eddie Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Is that the one with Brimstone and Storm Shadow? Yes, but only after the P2E upgrade. P1E, which is ongoing at the moment adds basic AG (Enhanced Paveway & Paveway IV) capability to Tranche 2 aircraft. To give an idea of the complexity associated with Typhoon, at Coningsby alone we have 6 different standards of aircraft. All with differing capabilities/functionality. And that is just the major versions (Production Standard Configurations - same thing as "Suites" on the A-10C). There are quite a few other minor modifications and updates on top of that as well. So modelling a Typhoon would be even more complicated that doing an F-16C in terms of working out what to actually model to start with. Well basing on Tranche 2 at the moment.... Which type? :D Edited December 17, 2013 by Eddie Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment
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