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Old 08-12-2019, 07:43 PM   #1
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"G-Warmup is actually modelled in DCS. Without it the pilot starts to blackout at some 6Gs, and with it at 7.7Gs. Extremely useful when it comes to ACM or even BVR missile evasion. To achieve, just pull Gs for a dozen or two seconds."

Is this true?

Seen that comment on Hoggit pertaining to the vid from Mover and Wags flight.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:09 PM   #2
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Should be easy to check it out...
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:19 PM   #3
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It is true. A rudimentary G-warm up is modeled.

I've tested this after I kept almost G-LOCing when practicing SHB carrier recoveries and on the initial merge during BFM at around 6Gs in the Hornet.

If you do a couple 4-6G warmups prior to a max G turn you have about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes after the G warmup where you can complete a max G turn without G-LOC. In my testing, if, after the warmup, you wait more then 2 minutes, you'll once again G-LOC under max G (around 6Gs in the Hornet).

*I've only tested this in the Hornet.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:46 PM   #4
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It is true. A rudimentary G-warm up is modeled.

I've tested this after I kept almost G-LOCing when practicing SHB carrier recoveries and on the initial merge during BFM at around 6Gs in the Hornet.

If you do a couple 4-6G warmups prior to a max G turn you have about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes after the G warmup where you can complete a max G turn without G-LOC. In my testing, if, after the warmup, you wait more then 2 minutes, you'll once again G-LOC under max G (around 6Gs in the Hornet).

*I've only tested this in the Hornet.


Nice, that's awesome. Can't wait to try it out.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:03 AM   #5
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I learned a thing about DCS today. Thanks OP!
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Old 08-17-2019, 01:29 AM   #6
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Very nice post, thanks! Obviously know that this is crucial in real life, but didn't think that the sim modeled that trait. Bravo for disclosing this information, just tried it and can confirm that I noticed the difference as well.

Guess it's worth continuing to practice real life maneuvers.

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Old 08-23-2019, 12:04 PM   #7
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Didn't know that either. Now it would be nice if we had fatigue as well
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:00 PM   #8
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will try it next time!!


@Eldur: When doing a proper preflight and coordinate typing etc the fatigue is modeled in front of the computer
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:59 PM   #9
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Lol, but after the "warmup", you'll be able to hold 8G forever even if the screen is quite dark, still you won't blackout. I'm surprised that nobody ever tested the edges to see!

By how I see it, the realistic G effects modelling is somewhere in-between of what we have atm!

First, a trained pilot, even without the "warmup" isn't suppose to blackout at 6g in 5 seconds with he's G-suit working properly. This is too much too early to be accurate! There are a lot of video demonstrations in which even with no straining nor scheduled breathing, the subject holds more than 7G for about 10 seconds before he calls it a stop. With the correct straining and breathing procedure, they can withstand even 12G constantly for at least 10 seconds. The other end of the simulated function as I repeat myself, won't let you completely blackout and get G-loc even if you'd keep it forever at no more than 8.0Gs! This is how it's simulated atm! Test it!

Have a look at these guys for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9T2HI1eiTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrUCGZO5H9s
-(this one actually did 12G for 15 long seconds)-
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Old 10-24-2019, 08:24 PM   #10
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In fact, you guys should better try this:

-Use the outside view (the best would be the chase view) in order to not get confused by the "simulated" blackout. With zero "warmup", just pull to 7.9Gs (do not touch or go over 8 ) and hold it there as constant as you can. Switch between cockpit view (to monitor the blackout "simulation") and outside view (to monitor and constantly hold the 7.9G load) and you'll find out how the "simulated warmup" gradually takes away part of the blackout. So the simulated "warmup" doesn't care whether you release the G's for a while to let the pilot grab a breath and get better straining or not, it simply starts reducing your blackout effect right in the middle of high G's. There will be some amount of blacking but the effect never occurs. As stated before, you can hold 7.9 forever and not blackout and still see enough in order to fight, while at exactly 8 you'll neither blackout nor get slightly rid of it after the warmup effect takes place. 8Gs seem to be simulated as a threshold between coming out of a full black and triggering the loss of consciousness.
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