A must see video of dogfighting in the Tomcat

There is no intermediate setting, i.e. there is no set flap position for “Half” or “T/O”, etc. You push the handle outwards, and it is a continuous movement between Up and Down and you can move it (and leave it) it anywhere in between.

OK, thx, we've been mislead before that it goes either full or none at all. So it's modeled correctly.

What may or not be modeled, and I haven’t played with it, is that the main flaps went to full deflection within the first few degrees of flap handle movement. So there isn’t really much of a distinction between rolling the maneuver flaps down and simply deploying the main flaps. It required a really refined technique, I believe, to “work” the flaps during a dogfight. In addition, it was very easy to lock out the flaps in the Tomcat. The flaps are rolled up and down by torque tubes which could shear and break, like twisting a paper towel tube. Next thing you know, you can find yourself with a need to escape, and now your flaps won’t come up.

What may or not be modeled, and I haven’t played with it, is that the main flaps went to full deflection within the first few degrees of flap handle movement. So there isn’t really much of a distinction between rolling the maneuver flaps down and simply deploying the main flaps. It required a really refined technique, I believe, to “work” the flaps during a dogfight. In addition, it was very easy to lock out the flaps in the Tomcat. The flaps are rolled up and down by torque tubes which could shear and break, like twisting a paper towel tube. Next thing you know, you can find yourself with a need to escape, and now your flaps won’t come up.

5 degrees per NATOPS. :thumbup:

Salute,

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Strange... I recall some of the pilots taking off at half lap settings so how did it get to that point?

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They’re using maneuver flaps. Rolling them down with the DLC thumb wheel.

From my tests it is modeled like in manual:

http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/general.html#flaps-and-slats

The normal flap and slat extension is controlled using the FLAP handle on the Throttle Quadrant. The flaps can be set to anywhere between retracted and fully extended where the flaps will extend to 35° and the slats to 17°. The auxiliary flaps, the innermost section, only have two positions, retracted and extended. They will extend fully when the FLAP handle is at more than 5° extension.

a continuous movement between Up and Down and you can move it (and leave it) it anywhere in between

Any hearsay from pilots or books should now be questioned on what exact flaps and range were used during BFM. Some say about main (aux) flaps, some about maneuvering flaps (but if the outer section is moved by the flaps handle to more than 10 degrees extension they are no longer maneuvering flaps).

I just find the gun sight lacking compared to the 15/16/18

and

it seems like my bullets dont do as much damage as the rest, for a2a should i be on just HE or HE/AP?

Heatblur have mentioned they will make the flaps more fragile in a future update, as irl even 225knots was known to cause issues. The current flaps cheese will end quickly once this update arrives, locks the flaps out and stops the wing from sweeping.

Also, the F16 in that video is hardly flying optimally.

edit: apologies for making points that were already made, clicked on this thread and only read the front page and thought this was the entire conversation heh.

Heatblur have mentioned they will make the flaps more fragile in a future update, as irl even 225knots was known to cause issues. The current flaps cheese will end quickly once this update arrives, locks the flaps out and stops the wing from sweeping.

 

The flap "cheese" will hardly stop as there is no penalty really for flying with your flaps jammed. I mean, the penalties are there in respect to drag, and thus maximum performance and range, but when was the last time anyone in DCS worried about that? So for the average "air-quaker" out there, flaps jammed at 225, 250 or 275 won't matter.

Maybe they will also model flap asymmetries if flaps extension is performed at too high speed.Uncommanded roll should certainly cause some ppl to rethink their approach to flap exploitation.

Regards,

Snappy

If it's possible and give advantage it will be used. No reason to forbid it and punish unless you set tournament rules.

whats the point of flying a super realsitic plane, when the other planes(devs) are not even that realsiticly modeled?

i;d rather HB spend their efforts fixing actual tomcat bugs (that undermine the performance) , the forrestal, the A-CAT... and pls, pls pls, B(up) and D cat

super hornet if they feel up for it... I have a wallet full of cash for those modules any day