Hippo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 From the NATOPS engine shutdown procedure: 3. FLAP switch - full ... 8. Throttle - OFF When amber FLAPS light illuminates - 9. BATT switch - OFF WARNING Turning battery switch off before the amber FLAPS light illuminates could result in severe uncommanded flight control movement. The only cockpit indication that hydraulics have been removed from the flight controls, and that they are no longer powered, is the amber FLAPS light.I waited (and waited) but the amber FLAPS light never illuminated when attemting this in-game. System spec: Intel i9 13900KF @ stock, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6X, Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600MHz C18, Samsung 980 EVO 500 GB NVME M.2 SSD (system drive), Samsung 970 EVO 1 TB NVME M.2 SSD (games drive), Cooler Master ML360 Illusion CPU Cooler, Asus XG43UQ Monitor, Oculus Quest Pro, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uunilenkki Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 It should also be lit when battery is switched on (cold start). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thymo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I spend a lot of time trying to figure this out. The FLAPS light does not come on when you power down the jet. One thing I did notice consistently is that the FCES caution comes on. I wonder if that's an error in the NATOPS? The FLAPS light hasn't come on for me on any of my shutdowns so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Residual Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I noticed this as well, but simply thought it was an oversight that would be corrected quickly. From the Line Maintenance Manuel section 22 for Engine Operation it states e. When amber FLAPS light comes on, set BATT switch to OFF. I can also attest that on battery switch to on, the light should be illuminated, and stays illuminated until FCS reset is pressed, and FLAPS OFF caution is removed from the DDI. Then on shutdown roughly 6% N2 the amber FLAPS light illuminates again. I can also say from experience that turning the battery off before getting the amber Flaps indication will cause the trailing edge flaps to raise to the up or trailing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Flap amber light after eng shut down Gents, I hope you are doing all right. First of all, congratulations for such wonderful module. I am having a lot of fun with it. I noticed a minor discrepancy that I’d like to consult you. After both engines shut down, flap amber light was supposed to come on and it doesn’t. My reference is NATOPS Flight Manual FA-18A/B/C/D, page III-7-35 (page 341 of the pdf). In there it says: 7. L® DDI, HI/MPCD, and HUD - OFF 8. Throttle - OFF When amber FLAPS light illuminates - 9. BATT switch - OFF I know you have you plate full at this moment and this is a minor minor thing. Maybe in the future you’d like to add this feature in the module. This is my attempt to contribute a little bit. All the best, Sydy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin_Hood Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 No flaps amber light at shutdown Though the manual insists that the battery should not be switched back to off while hydraulic power is still present in the flight controls, and that the FLAPS amber light is the only indication thereof. However, although pumping the controls, I haven't been able to have the light come up after engine shutdown. 2nd French Fighter Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 year later and following the NATOPS FLIGHT MANUAL leads me to discover this bug/missing feature. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 So it's still not fixed after all that time? 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonz Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 FLAPS Caution on the Lower Left Instrument panel incorrect The FLAPS (amber) indicator caution light on the front instrument Panel should illuminate after engine shutdown prior to securing the Battery due to Lack of Hydraulic Pressure. It likely won't come on right away but the pilot should verify that the FLAPS light illuminates prior to turning the Battery OFF. Reference NATOPS Manual paragraph... 2.8.4.3 Flap Position Lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Reported before: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=223567 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=212760 REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) Merged threads I will investigate EDIT: I reported this 31/Mar/2020 I will ask for a progress update but can not promise anything. thanks Edited September 7, 2020 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 Merged threads I will investigate EDIT: I reported this 31/Mar/2020 I will ask for a progress update but can not promise anything. thanks Hi, many thanks for that. Obvs, it's not a major issue, but for such a polished product it does grate when the behaviour does not agree with the normal proc checklists. System spec: Intel i9 13900KF @ stock, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6X, Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600MHz C18, Samsung 980 EVO 500 GB NVME M.2 SSD (system drive), Samsung 970 EVO 1 TB NVME M.2 SSD (games drive), Cooler Master ML360 Illusion CPU Cooler, Asus XG43UQ Monitor, Oculus Quest Pro, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonz Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) FLAPS Light on lower left panel This light should come on with the Battery on and no hydraulics is available... It's a critical step on the aircraft shutdown procedure... The light should come on when hydraulics reads zero on both systems and the Battery is still on. Only then can you turn the Battery OFF. Ref: III-7-35 of the NATOPS Flight Manual. There is a WARNING... WARNING: Turning battery switch off before the amber FLAPS light illuminates could result in severe uncommanded flight control movement. The only cockpit indication that hydraulics have been removed from the flight controls, and that they are no longer powered, is the amber FLAPS light. I suspect that the FLAPS light should also be on during startup with the Battery on and no engines running (No Hydraulics). Edited September 25, 2020 by Bonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Reported before, you've even posted here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=212760 REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonz Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I see that... I thought I had, but didn't see it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thymo Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 @BIGNEWY Were you able to get an update? As of today this bug is still present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxmike Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 After that long time and out of EA still no amber light??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsky Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Foxmike said: out of EA Not yet. 1 Dima | My DCS uploads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxmike Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Minsky said: Not yet. I see. My fault. I believed in their promises getting out of EA latest ending 2022. Anyway, a loooong time for a simple light. Ok, the whole hydraulic system is bugged after shutdown because you can wipe the controls for hours without engines just on battery power Edited March 26, 2023 by Foxmike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 From this mini-update: Quote We are performing a ground up review of and refactoring of the Hornet flight model and flight control system This might include the hydraulic/flaps light logic. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just found this issue independently and searched for solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 24, 2023 ED Team Share Posted April 24, 2023 this is still in our list, just low priority currently. When we have a tweak we will add it to the change log thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonz Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 There are a few reasons why you get the amber FLAPS light (Ref. Page 1.2.57 of the NATOPS manual). 1. Flap switch HALF or FULL and airspeed over 250 Knots. 2. Abnormal Flap Condition (Any Flap is off or Lacks Hydraulic Pressure). 3. Aircraft is in Spin Recovery Mode. 4. Gain Switch in ORIDE position. On aircraft shutdown there is a WARNING (Ref. Page III-7-35 of the NATOPS Manual), "Turning the battery off before the amber FLAPS light illuminates could result in severe uncommanded flight control movement. The only cockpit indication that Hydraulics have been removed from the flight controls and that they are no longer powered is the amber FLAPS light. The FLAPS light in DCS works for three of the four conditions... 1. Both the flaps HALF and FULL Overspeed conditions, the ORIDE position of the Gain switch, and when the aircraft is in the SPIN mode. (Spin switch in the SPIN position). It doesn't work in the Hydraulics zero position following engine shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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