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Old 12-27-2016, 06:20 PM   #1
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Default Future of the DCS P-51D

I have finally purchased the P-51D since the Normandy map is approaching release. Now that the Spitfire is out, what does the future look like for the P-51? Are there upgrades, improvements, and/or new features in the works? I have seen a few posts on the forum mentioning a new model but nothing official.
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:40 PM   #2
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Yes, see Racoon's posts:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=170568

Tl;dr: ED are "planning" to make it into a mid-late war ETO model (probably D20, 25 or 30), rather than the late war PTO model we have now.

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Old 12-27-2016, 09:02 PM   #3
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Yes, see Racoon's posts:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=170568

Tl;dr: ED are "planning" to make it into a mid-late war ETO model (probably D20, 25 or 30), rather than the late war PTO model we have now.


I read that post. I'm of the "Lets wait and see" school of thought. As it stands, I know lots of people who are pretty disenchanted with the P51. Me being one of them.
I sincerely hope that we get something that's competitive with the other WWII planes in DCS. I love the P51 but I won't take the ED, P51 out and fight with it. Not air to air anyway.
If DCS charges for it (I'm thinking they're aren't inclined to do that after reading the other thread). But if they did, I'd pass. I purchased it once already and it was not up to standard. I have accepted that about it. But would not pay twice for something that I feel I should have gotten the first time around.
I love ED and appreciate what they've done for fight simming. But the P51 is where we seem to have a difference of opinion.
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Yes, see Racoon's posts:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=170568

Tl;dr: ED are "planning" to make it into a mid-late war ETO model (probably D20, 25 or 30), rather than the late war PTO model we have now.
Hopefully we can get some specific details soon. I am wondering if we will then have two versions of the P-51 or if the new version will replace the current one.

Since this Mustang was released in 2012, I would like to see a new 3D model that is as detailed and in depth as what we see with some of the recent releases.
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what, exactly, is all the fuss about the DCS P-51 about? Isn't the one in game supposed to be modeled off the one owned by TFC? Didn't they use flight data from TFC's 'Stang to develop the flight model?
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I would really like to see the P-51D Module updated to a 1944 P-51D-20 or D25 using high octance fuel and cleared for 72 inches of manifold in DCS.

That would give a good matchup to both the D9 and K4.

But after looking into that thread, what really astonishes me, is how little the online sim world has changed. Just started again some online flight simming after about 10 years of to get my PPL and even get into oldtimer and warbird flying. And what do i see once i get into sim community back? Some well known guys from a decade to two decades back, which still promote the same twisted fews on plane performance.

Heck when i was young, i was one of those too. But luckily flying the real deal, sitting in almost any cockpit of those famous WW2 warbird, talking and knowing a WW2 LW veteran really helped to relativize all those discussions about plane performance.

Funny to see Kurfürst still on his crusade to promote and present an obsolete plane as the pinnacle of WW2 prop fighter development.
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what, exactly, is all the fuss about the DCS P-51 about? Isn't the one in game supposed to be modeled off the one owned by TFC? Didn't they use flight data from TFC's 'Stang to develop the flight model?
I think the issue is not the flight model per se but rather the competitiveness of the P-51. I've never flown a P-51 in real life so I can't really tell you if the flight model is accurate, but I can say I find the DCS P-51 an absolute joy to fly, one of my favourites.

The general request is that the P-51 should be updated to reflect what was used in the European theatre in late 44 (since that's the period we seem to be modelling). That is 150 octane fuel and 72" (or perhaps even 75") manifold pressure. This would give the P-51 a noticeable speed boost and would probably move it to being faster than the 109 at most altitudes. I agree with this proposal as it is both historically plausible, and it should give an interesting balance. The 109 climbs and accelerates better (you'd expect that), and also turns better at slow speed. But the P-51 is faster (especially up high), and turns better at high speed.

That said IMO the P-51 is underestimated. It's a great BnZ plane, and with an energy advantage it can be very effective

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Oh goodness...I didn't want this thread to become another debate. I just wanted to see if ED or anyone else would offer some more information on future development for the P-51.
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Oh goodness...I didn't want this thread to become another debate. I just wanted to see if ED or anyone else would offer some more information on future development for the P-51.


I don't think anyone knows much TBH. ED have said it'll get an update to reflect European theatre use. I imagine that'll be a free update.
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Plus the new Damage Model
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