HARM Changing Targets?

Anyone launching HARMs only to see them vector off in a different direction? Launched 2 last night on the same target and one veered off and followed a Su-27 for a white until he turned off his radar while the other one hit the target. Same thing happened shortly after where I launched 2 on a hawk site...one tracked...one decided to track a nearby ship and both found their independent targets.

Did you change the target back to the original target?

As far as I am aware, the system automatically cycles the targeted emitter when a HARM is fired and thus you are now attacking two separate targets.

I'm very amused by the Su-27 track :D It's fine, but I imagine the system would automatically place it at the lowest possible priority since it's an incredibly low PK shot.

At this point we are able to fire HARMs only in Self Protect mode. For me it means that we can't really control them, even tho we can cycle through different radiation sources.

Also, I know HARMs from the F-16, so it's a different story, as the deployment of the HARM is totally different due to HTS (HARM Targeting System).

So basically, the Hornet is able to fire HARMs, but F-16 in this case is superior and will be better in SEAD missions once it's released.

P.S.

The HTS (HARM Targeting System) pod provides pilots to employ the AGM-88 HARM missile in its most effective mode. It can autonomously detect, identify and locate radar guided threats at long ranges. It displays the target location to the pilot for HARM designation and firing. The HTS is fully reprogrammable and has been designed for high reliability/maintainability. Originally designed for integration on the F-16C/D Block 50D, the HTS could be integrate on any MIL-STD-1553 compatible aircraft. The HTS allows multiple target track and greater target specificity. Currently, HTS pods have been improved in key areas such as search speed, memory size, target identification and handling capabilities.

Source: http://www.deagel.com/Protection-Systems/ANASQ-213-HTS_a001632001.aspx

IIRC it will go active off the rail (without PB/EOM) so don't expect perfect always-on-target behavior.

but i don't know if it should follow sukhois lmao, that might be a bug.

Anyone launching HARMs only to see them vector off in a different direction? Launched 2 last night on the same target and one veered off and followed a Su-27 for a white until he turned off his radar while the other one hit the target. Same thing happened shortly after where I launched 2 on a hawk site...one tracked...one decided to track a nearby ship and both found their independent targets.

Reminds me of: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/10314/the-time-a-f-4g-wild-weasels-anti-radiation-missile-blew-apart-a-b-52s-tail :D

The hornet has it's own version of the HTS Slider it's called the TAS and is contained wholly in the pylon that carries the HARM itself, it can supply the same information as the 16's HTS with the same general limits with a whole 10kg increase to the pylon weight. (edit correct arconyms)

On the HARM chasing the wrong Radar.. I've seen it do it when the station I shot at went silent.. the harm was like oh there is another radar over here I'll go chase... which given we only have SP mode and that is Bearing and hope the missile wants to chase the right source.. is understandable... plus the real birds will switch and swap if a radiating source goes 'dead'.

Well, didn't know that for sure, thanks for heads up. You said it's contained in the pylon with HARM. So it means if we have 4 HARMs loaded we have 4 independent TAS systems? It kinda sounds like it's a single use for each missile, then you can throw it into trash.

Since I was shooting at a target overlapping another I didn't realize it does automatically cycle targets. But It sure enough did veer off after a Su-27. I know because it was a friendly I was on comms with and was looking at the map. I told him to turn off his radar because he was oblivious. It would have come close to hitting him if I didn't tell him to turn off his radar. The missile died not far from him but failed to track after going nose cold. I also saw that B-52 / HARM incident and it was scary similar.

Since I was shooting at a target overlapping another I didn't realize it does automatically cycle targets. But It sure enough did veer off after a Su-27. I know because it was a friendly I was on comms with and was looking at the map. I told him to turn off his radar because he was oblivious. It would have come close to hitting him if I didn't tell him to turn off his radar. The missile died not far from him but failed to track after going nose cold. I also saw that B-52 / HARM incident and it was scary similar.

Yowza! going after Jet. that'll stain tidy white-ies of any pilot's backside. "Flight, you may want to check your six. You've got a stray HARM coming your way...." "and oh, sorry about that...." :music_whistling:

I had the HARM do this once on me as well. Rather, charge after another ground target. At first I was like, what the heck... but after reading the explanations, makes sense as to what was going on.

The hornet has it's own version of the HTS Slider it's called the TAS and is contained wholly in the pylon that carries the HARM itself, it can supply the same information as the 16's HTS with the same general limits with a whole 10kg increase to the pylon weight. (edit correct arconyms)

Has the TAS actually been fielded? I know it has been worked on in the 90s, but I can't find any more recent information about it and nowhere it says that it has been put into service. All I can find is information about its development in the early 90s. It almost looks like the project got canceled before it was completed. :huh:

Has the TAS actually been fielded? I know it has been worked on in the 90s, but I can't find any more recent information about it and nowhere it says that it has been put into service. All I can find is information about it's development in the early 90s. It almost looks like the project got canceled before it was completed. :huh:

I'm sure having read the project was cancelled altogether, despite the successful tests. Unfortunately I have no reference at hand.

Can the Harm track air radars? Is this simulated in DCS?

Yes, apparently it is possible, as the OP pointed out.

New missile to track and engage airborne targets ????????????

We now have an extra A2A missile! ������

You mean besides the Sidewinder, the Sparrow, the AMRAAM and the Maverick? ;)

You mean besides the Sidewinder, the Sparrow, the AMRAAM and the Maverick? ;)

Precisely!

This will be entertaining to try out. I wonder how manouveravle it will be compared to the other missiles and furthermore it’s effective range. I can imagine it will be a poor manouvreable weapon

I can’t get the Harm to launch against any airborn targets, including enemy awacs and Su-27 that’s locking me up. It won’t box the rwr item on the hud and won’t launch. It must have been an unusual mid-flight situation , like the original target being destroyed for it to go after an aircraft.

The hornet has it's own version of the HTS Slider it's called the TAS and is contained wholly in the pylon that carries the HARM itself, it can supply the same information as the 16's HTS with the same general limits with a whole 10kg increase to the pylon weight. (edit correct arconyms)

 

On the HARM chasing the wrong Radar.. I've seen it do it when the station I shot at went silent.. the harm was like oh there is another radar over here I'll go chase... which given we only have SP mode and that is Bearing and hope the missile wants to chase the right source.. is understandable... plus the real birds will switch and swap if a radiating source goes 'dead'.

Real HARMs may switch to another source (unintentionally) if that emitter has similar characteristics to the radar that was initially targeted and is in the missiles FoV. The only other way I'm aware of that this can happen, is with flex logic and that is intentional.

It must have been an unusual mid-flight situation , like the original target being destroyed for it to go after an aircraft.

• The radar signature of a B-52 tail gun was misidentified by a F-4G Wild Weasel as Iraqi AAA.

• A AGM-88 HARM was launched against the non-existent AAA and the missile tracked the B-52.

• As the missile expected to hit a static target, it exploded behind the B-52, causing significant damage to the tail section.

• The B-52 landed safely.

The HARM didn't change target, rather it was locked onto a misidentified radar.

https://bentcorner.com/in-harms-way/

• The radar signature of a B-52 tail gun was misidentified by a F-4G Wild Weasel as Iraqi AAA.

• A AGM-88 HARM was launched against the non-existent AAA and the missile tracked the B-52.

• As the missile expected to hit a static target, it exploded behind the B-52, causing significant damage to the tail section.

• The B-52 landed safely.

 

The HARM didn't change target, rather it was locked onto a misidentified radar.

 

https://bentcorner.com/in-harms-way/

I'm not talking about IRL. I know these incidents happened in real life. I'm talking about what happens IN SIM, in reply to the OPs comment about it tracking a Su27 and other people suggesting it could be used intentionally as an A2A missile.