SAM shootdowns of HARM missiles

Which SAMS have the ability to shoot down a HARM missile? This was touched on in WAGS’ HARM video.

I believe the SA-15 can

SA-15 Tor, SA-10 Grumble, Patriot.

Maybe there are more though.

if you cannot wait till release you can check that with AI hornets (not lot 20) which can be equiped with and use the harm already

Hmmm...Wags said...next week! Not the coming Wednesday January 16th??

SA-15 Tor, SA-10 Grumble, Patriot.

 

 

 

Maybe there are more though.

if you cannot wait till release you can check that with AI hornets (not lot 20) which can be equiped with and use the harm already

Or by firing Mavericks at them ;)

In fact, the success rate of attacking SAM with AGM88 missile alone is not high. Because SAM has too many ways to deal with it. The value of AGM88 is that once you launch an attack. SAM must turn its attention to the missile until it fails. At this point, you can use SLAM, SLAM-ER, JSOW to fight.

In fact, the success rate of attacking SAM with AGM88 missile alone is not high. Because SAM has too many ways to deal with it. The value of AGM88 is that once you launch an attack. SAM must turn its attention to the missile until it fails. At this point, you can use SLAM, SLAM-ER, JSOW to fight.

Well, the DCS SAM-AI has never heard of that tactic ;)

Well, the DCS SAM-AI has never heard of that tactic ;)

Yeah, without scripts too add some I into the AI, it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel.

There are a few ways to get SAM to turn-off, turn-on, but it has to be done by the user.

SA-15 Tor, SA-10 Grumble, Patriot.

 

Maybe there are more though.

SA-19 Grison // Tunguska Missiles and guns were created for countering HARMs and Cruise Missiles attacking the S-300 systems. Generally CIWS capable ship-borne variants of weapons: like Kashtan, the Sa-11 Buk system based on ships (Shtil-1) should be able to counter anti-ship missiles though I don't know if we have a Sovremenny floating around and whether or not it targets HARMS.

Either way it depends on whether or not ED flicks the 'CIWS counterable' switch, which I think they forgot for the AGM-65F?

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3737733#post3737733

Hmmm...Wags said...next week! Not the coming Wednesday January 16th??

wags posted that video on 00:03 am monday night...therefore i assume it was made last week. and next week of last week is....

Hmmm...Wags said...next week! Not the coming Wednesday January 16th??

There is no update next week, so I would assume he made this video last week and said "next week" meaning this week.

:huh:

SA-19 Grison // Tunguska Missiles and guns were created for countering HARMs and Cruise Missiles attacking the S-300 systems. Generally CIWS capable ship-borne variants of weapons: like Kashtan, the Sa-11 Buk system based on ships (Shtil-1) should be able to counter anti-ship missiles though I don't know if we have a Sovremenny floating around and whether or not it targets HARMS.

 

Either way it depends on whether or not ED flicks the 'CIWS counterable' switch, which I think they forgot for the AGM-65F?

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3737733#post3737733

Tunguska does not seem to engage the AGM-88C in DCS at the moment.

This happens even if "Engage Air Weapons" is turned on.

Did you have any luck with getting them to fire?

Tunguska does not seem to engage the AGM-88C in DCS at the moment.

This happens even if "Engage Air Weapons" is turned on.

 

 

Did you have any luck with getting them to fire?

The only thing I've ever seen shoot down missiles in DCS is a Tor (SA-15).

wags posted that video on 00:03 am monday night...therefore i assume it was made last week. and next week of last week is....

Its this wed 16th. Wags responded to a thread on FB

The only thing I've ever seen shoot down missiles in DCS is a Tor (SA-15).

Depends on what are you shooting at them. A huge Kh-29 can be shot down even by OSA (SA-8), at least it was so in older versions when I saw it happening :P.

I've also seen Roland shoot down various missiles including the Mavericks and Kh-25 and Kh-58.

TOR and S-300 are pretty nasty and shoot down lots of missiles.

I think Tunguska can shoot down some of the missiles too.

I'd think that Patriot too will be able to do this.

I'm not sure how many of these can engage an incoming HARM though. You can try with AI, but we never know if it'll be the same case with player fired ones until they are released.

I believe in RL and in advanced classified variants, the missile can be programmed to follow a set of obtuse waypoints leading to the target. Couple this with a couple more HARMs and the air defence battery will be kaboom!

Real harm missile have ECCM, so all soviet old and "backward" AA radar systems will be deceived.

I doubt that the S-300 (or other early systems) can target a small target flying towards it and its covered with ECCM.

It does not matter how the system has a precise and powerful radar system when it is disturbed by an ECCM source

Maybe only any optical/ IR guidance system can save target AA system (for example aegis) before destroy in last two seconds before hit.

But chance is small ..

And the last thing, harm can be immune to enemy interference and the target can hit on the basis of GPS data.

Me to SA-11 sites.

Me to SA-11 sites.

 

 

Forget doing it in MP though.... I'm quite sure HARM will become the No. 1 banned missile on the MP servers, knocking 120C and ET's right off the pedestal.

Forget doing it in MP though.... I'm quite sure HARM will become the No. 1 banned missile on the MP servers, knocking 120C and ET's right off the pedestal.

My guess would be it will just be illegal/impossible to destroy SAM systems based near a side's final airbase(s). Just switching those to immortal/quick respawn and booting those who violate the rules.

going to be hard to enforce with a defacto RUK mode. actually saying for sure that the enemy SAM that's about to waste you is not on an airbase is hard when you have very little ability to measure range against it and no TGP to check.

really if you are likely to be using HARM you are going to be probably BVR the vast majority of the time (60~nm)

with current SAM AI though, it should probably be banned as otherwise it will be 80nm turkey shoot as SAMs don't turn off intelligently. every single hornet will be 4 guaranteed SAM kills from far beyond the range of any SAM/fighter in the game.

btw, it's going to get even more ridiculous when JASSM/GBU-39/SLAM-ER get here. "i vaporize your entire base with my 4ship from across the whole map, gg no re"

hornet will likely end up with 40% of it's repertoire banned if i'm being honest.

Why ban the use of 1760 weapons? Folks are shouting and clambering for their inclusion into the sim only to ban them when they arrive? Makes no sense to me. If that’s the case, just fly the warbirds. These weapons were developed for their standoff capabilities, why not use them.

I don’t think our RL counterparts are saying “hey, these weapons are too powerful, let’s NOT use them.” Just a thought.....

It's simple enough to set a trigger zone in the ME where a SAM site can be present on map but inactive until an enemy coalition is well within lethal launch parameters; thus negating the HARMS range. Switch them off again when e/a out of kill range. Could even instruct a move order just prior to deactivation so when the baited victim player respawns and comes back for revenge he still can't exactly ID the firing position.

If you're canny, you could bait HARM equipped Hornets into a trap with an SA-6 site and put a few "sleeper" SA-15s well forward on the threat axis; sure that would catch out some over eager Wild Weasels.

All this means the Weasels would be more thoroughly occupied, being more judicious in their approach to an enemy air defence zone, and thus prevents them rolling up, wiping out all the EADs and continuing with other weapons in one fell swoop.

If a spawning airbase is off limits for attack then make the EADs there immortal.

No need to start banning weapons. That's short sightedness in the extreme.