Lockon Operation Red Flag/Combined Air Exercise

doesnt matter. if the squad is taking the mission serious and wanted to win, he shouldnt shoot the thing down if his whole team wants fuel!!

If I am in an F-15 with a flight of like 6-8 and were all running low on fuel, we want some fuel without the requirement of landing. If somebody shoots it down, soo be it(its war). Just have a tanker included! plz:pilotfly:

Maybe you didn't read all of what I posted ...

Regarding NATO v Warsaw pact, keep in mind that some squadrons do not fly one or the other but have a mixture of both. The real red flag uses US planes as OPFOR. We fly against all types of planes on HL so we should all be used to flying against whatever is against us. Also the ARM discrepancy with the T-Frog.

I think it would be a mistake to decide on a scenario and then have to make compromises to make it work. First decide what will work best and provide the best competition and fun.

Most importantly, learn from the mistakes made in CAW.

And keep it as simple as possible. Don't let the process of putting it together outweigh the flying.

Take all that for what value you see in it. If it all plays out well, count me in.

how about selecting different skins for each side, so you know if it is a red or blue F15C.

That's pretty useless at over 2nm ... since you have no IFF cue in the F-15.

Anyway, I'm not doing a mixed bag. :)

lol, if the missiles worked yes! And it'll make for nice videos/screen shots.

And keep it as simple as possible. Don't let the process of putting it together outweigh the flying.

:thumbup:

Ah yes and ... G switch set to 'Reduced G' ;)

HERE HERE!! 3Sqn would back that...sick of 5G grey out! But whatever.

3Sqn will get back to you shortly with names/numbers. We are relatively flexible on the times as stated previously and would make an effort to stay up quite late if it meant a whole extra squad could be included (ie Jabog32). We have no limitation on aircraft type to fly, or what type of role, although we specialise in Air-Air, but would run a training package to get up to speed on A-G/SEAD if assigned that role.

For 3sqn, the rules/fairness/kudos of the excercise are less important than just getting out there and flying it. We will endevour not to make special requests/ultimatums, we'll just be there.

Fudd, again, let us know what we can do to help. Get back to you with approximate numbers soon.

I am all for:

Reduced G

Dead is Dead (no respawn)

Red (Russian Aircraft) vs Blue (US Aircraft)

I would allow for RTB and refuel and rearm, but in a propper manner, meaning the aircraft that lands has to land at their own base (1 of 2 assigned) taxi off the runway and park to propper designated area (where you spawn), engine off etc, then allow 5min refuel/rearm.

Maybe we could set up a poll for each of the options and go with majority. For example, Poll 1 would ask if you want Realistic G or Reduced G. Poll 2 would ask do we want strict Red vs Blue (Russian aircraft vs US aircraft) or mixture of both? and so on... and what ever the majority goes for is what we set?

Its looking as if we are going to hold to NATO vs Warsaw for the first mission except for Su-25t's and Mig-29A's will be available on both sides.

After the first mission we will evaluate whether we want to move towards strictly US vs Russian aircraft or move towards a more even mix of aircraft and allow the ability of squads to move around between blue and redFOR

Hey man sounds good.

And just because they are available doesn't mean the blue team will actually want to fly them, they may prefer to just go with Hog's on the day...who knows? Keep us posted.

Also, have you given thought to what era you want this set in? As per GG's comment about Mig29A's being quite numerous, you could decree that its pre-1990's, therefore semi-actives only. Or cira 1992, F-15's have amraam but only 2 per jet. Or you could say to hell with making it difficult, and just leave it the way it is lol

For the first mission I'm gonna keep it simple, maybe one or two ROE's and the basic rules of airfields and respwaning stated above. I want to see how the logistics works of getting everyone together and flying.

After that we can look into prohibiting rearm refuel, set an era and limit weapons usage and some of the other really good ideas I've heard.

Keep em coming, I appreicate the input.

S!

I'm not keen on rearming and refueling. I can hop into any server in HL and go do that, though I suppose if there's sufficient distance to fly from base to CAP point (in essence, if it takes over 15min to fly) then it would work out.

Airbases will be far enough away that it will discourage missle spamming and encourage fuel conservation.

Perfect. Might see some interesting sortie regeneration plans then :)

Count us (=RvE=) in. Since we are an international squad we kind of figured out that the best time for any type of sqd event is from around 2000 Zulu

till we all faint depends in which time zone we are lol. As soon as you figure out the dates I will get to you back with the number of pilots but you can expect 8 + for sure. I like the idea of making this "as real as it can go" so I have a suggestion regarding those 2 airfields per side. Would you be interested in having those airfields covered with a professional ATC? We can cover ground/tower/departure and approach control making it more realistic with no bs landings on the taxiways and similar things. In that case both teams would need to have airport diagrams and follow correct taxi instructions given by the ground controller, land only when the clearance is given etc. If you are interested in that I can ask =RvE=Sabre who is our ATC (former ATC and Vietnam helicopter pilot veteran) to assist us with this. On our trainings we use the ATC a lot and he uses Jabog ATC software which is simply outstanding. We can also include AWACS on both sides in this mission which is kind of common sense for most of the stronger air forces in the world when committing large scale missions.

Isn't that ATC software is dependent of LUA export being enabled?

Yes it is (just like the other ATC software)

For the first mission, I am going to leave the ATC out. I like the idea alot, so we will look into it for future missions within the exercise.

For the first mission, each side will be on one TS server and we can coordinate take off and landings by using one channel for inbound and outbound traffic.

For the time zone problem, I am leaning more towards 1400 Zulu on Saturday, and this is why:

Its late afternoon, early evening for those of you in Europe. In the U.S. its early morning (sorry I know hangovers are gonna suck!) and Late Evening for those down in Oz.

Please let me know if you have a better idea for the time and the justification behind it.

I think we can arrange it for 1400 Zulu as long as the other day is not a working day so count us in.

But why? 15 minutes of flight is less than 150nm unless you are supersonic. Migs can't refuel, and F-15's and Flankers both have very good endurance.

I agree with you that it would help keep a CAP up for longer, especially if we're talking about F-15's or Su-33's, but that's about it.

For the time zone problem, I am leaning more towards 1400 Zulu on Saturday, and this is why:

Which saturday? This one or just in principal? And one more thing- why not make this a regular event? I've always wanted to fly with people following flight and combat discipline, respecting ROEs and all the stuff. But more than anything I want to get rid of all the bs and spam on public servers.

This is going to be an exercise where there are multiple missions. As I stated in the first post we are requesting that each squadron have a hand in mission building with a few set criteria.

After the first mission (which will be on a Saturday that is yet to be determined) we will re-evaluate the time and see how it worked for everyone. We may tweak the times occasionally to allow for different pilots within squadrons to occupy the slots available to that squadron. If you would like further clarification please PM me.

14:00Z doesn't work very well for me (It's what ... 8am on SAT? I'd like to sleep! :D ) but we will see how this goes.

14:00Z doesn't work very well for me (It's what ... 8am on SAT? I'd like to sleep! :D ) but we will see how this goes.

same lol. thats like 9am here