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Old 07-11-2019, 08:50 PM   #11
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Interresting find SnapRoll.

Maybe this is intended to model this behaviour. But it just shuts off the radar no matter what the target aspect is. He can be hot and 5 km in front of you, and your radar will lose lock. According to that F-15 manual it would only affect lock on a a cold bandit.

I have not tested it and yes, I totally agree.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:57 PM   #12
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In my test the target was hot not cold.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:14 PM   #13
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That information comes from the (RL, non-ED) flanker manual. This isn't exactly 'news' for a cassegrain radar, or any radar that requires guard horn. The specifics of the implementation could be in question though.



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I hope we are not making Su-27 after F-15s manual, Is this somewhere to find in Su-27?
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:22 PM   #14
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A better and still simple approximation would be to reduce the sensitivity a bit just as it gets reduced when you get lower than 1500m.
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That information comes from the (RL, non-ED) flanker manual. This isn't exactly 'news' for a cassegrain radar, or any radar that requires guard horn. The specifics of the implementation could be in question though.
It would not lose lock or just turn the radar off, It would have harder to keep lock or would not keep it as well passed 120 degrees at low alt.
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:10 AM   #16
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We'll, you have a backup for this exact reason
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:15 AM   #17
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Do you have a back up that you loosing lock, if so, plz let me see. Where did ED get 1500m from?
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:49 AM   #18
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My memory from reading Overscan's guide to Russian Radars is that this doesn't sound too dissimilar to the limitations described there, and that there were quite a few limitations on the Su-27 (& MiG-29) radar operation that would disgruntle a few players if E.D. were ever to do a full fidelity module of the Su-27S.

Still - Having your capabilities downgraded in the name of realism is easier to swallow when the realism is applied even-handedly...

I'd be applauding E.D.'s implementing the limitation - if they weren't adding imaginary weapons and pylons to the Ka-50 at the same time...
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:26 AM   #19
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My memory from reading Overscan's guide to Russian Radars is that this doesn't sound too dissimilar to the limitations described there, and that there were quite a few limitations on the Su-27 (& MiG-29) radar operation that would disgruntle a few players if E.D. were ever to do a full fidelity module of the Su-27S.

Still - Having your capabilities downgraded in the name of realism is easier to swallow when the realism is applied even-handedly...

I'd be applauding E.D.'s implementing the limitation - if they weren't adding imaginary weapons and pylons to the Ka-50 at the same time...
Some other capabilities would get implemented that would make the flanker 2 time better not weaker. A lot of people would not disgruntle to fly it just for that reason.
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Old 07-12-2019, 03:48 AM   #20
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Do you have a back up that you loosing lock, if so, plz let me see. Where did ED get 1500m from?
Do you have a back up for not losing it? The documentation is more against your position than not.

Like I said, you already have a back up for this, so use it. The IRST was added exactly for these situations, not for 'sneak attacks'.
It's a back up for the crappy radar. In RL.
Later versions of the flanker got a much improved radar both on the computing power side and the antenna (planar array vs cassegrain) ... But that's not the model you have.
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