Struggling with VR Settings - Valve Index

Wicked.- · September 16, 2019

I've flown about 16 or more hours with the latest stable and probably won't go back to the beta unless I hear of dramatic changes to clarity. I can see everything with smooth framerates unless on a heavily populated server. Even then, once I'm off the ground I'm still mostly maintaining 45FPS. While I'm all for helping with making SteamVR better, if it ain't broke, don't fix it lol.

imacken · September 16, 2019

I've flown about 16 or more hours with the latest stable and probably won't go back to the beta unless I hear of dramatic changes to clarity. I can see everything with smooth framerates unless on a heavily populated server. Even then, once I'm off the ground I'm still mostly maintaining 45FPS. While I'm all for helping with making SteamVR better, if it ain't broke, don't fix it lol.

Pretty sure that SteamVR release and beta are the same for the last few days.

Eaglewings · September 16, 2019

I read the intention is to make present steamVR beta the public released version. Perhaps they have pushed it out.

On my steamVR beta settings, there are three options I can choose.

a. Non beta version

b. Beta version

c. lkg released version

For me b & c makes my VR in dcs a drag. Lots of micro jittery with steamVR SS and Global setting at recommended value. Dcs set PD at 1.0

The non beta version is relatively smooth and provides better experience in cockpit.

Surprisingly, the Tomcat cockpit is just great in clarity.

Supmua · September 16, 2019

The latest stable SteamVR 1.7 (released Sept 10) is supposedly the exact same as the latest SteamVR beta 1.7.15 (released Sept 6) which was the final release candidate for the stable version.

imacken · September 16, 2019

I read the intention is to make present steamVR beta the public released version. Perhaps they have pushed it out.
On my steamVR beta settings, there are three options I can choose.
a. Non beta version
b. Beta version
c. lkg released version

For me b & c makes my VR in dcs a drag. Lots of micro jittery with steamVR SS and Global setting at recommended value. Dcs set PD at 1.0

The non beta version is relatively smooth and provides better experience in cockpit.
Surprisingly, the Tomcat cockpit is just great in clarity.

As I said above, the beta version is the exact same as the non beta version!

CobaltUK · September 16, 2019

Whilst more cpu cycles sounds right, I get no improvement at all going from 3.9 to 4.4ghz. NOTHING. Exact same event and view. If anything there seems a slight reduction in average fps at the higher setting and thats repeatable. Makes no sense. This was 2D to make the comparisons easier.

Baldrick33 · September 16, 2019

Whilst more cpu cycles sounds right, I get no improvement at all going from 3.9 to 4.4ghz. NOTHING. Exact same event and view. If anything there seems a slight reduction in average fps at the higher setting and thats repeatable. Makes no sense. This was 2D to make the comparisons easier.

Though VR requires more CPU, so you may be GPU limited in 2D, which would explain the lack of improvement?

CobaltUK · September 16, 2019

You may be right but the 1080Ti is not known for any struggle with dcs 2D.

Wicked.- · September 16, 2019

Pretty sure that SteamVR release and beta are the same for the last few days.

They are.

imacken · September 17, 2019

They are.

Not any more!

Wicked.- · September 17, 2019

Not any more!

I thought I saw something come out yesterday but it wasn't for the stable version which I'm now using. Anything new in the new one worth testing?????

Inquiring minds want to know lol.

Eaglewings · September 18, 2019

I thought I saw something come out yesterday but it wasn't for the stable version which I'm now using. Anything new in the new one worth testing?????
Inquiring minds want to know lol.

Features added for 1.8.1 beta version were things related to base station for Index Hmd.

Have not noticed any significant improvements for me.

imacken · September 18, 2019

Great new feature added to 1.8.2 last night so that we don't need a controller to access the SteamVR overlay etc.

However, I'm having some problems. For example, I can't see how to exit that mode. Used to be a click on and a cick off, but, obviously, that doesn't work now. Long press? Has anyone worked that out?

Also, my desktop cursor is uncontrollable after taking off the HMD. Have to go into TM and close down SteamVR before it comes back to normal.

Wicked.- · September 19, 2019

Great new feature added to 1.8.2 last night so that we don't need a controller to access the SteamVR overlay etc.
However, I'm having some problems. For example, I can't see how to exit that mode. Used to be a click on and a cick off, but, obviously, that doesn't work now. Long press? Has anyone worked that out?
Also, my desktop cursor is uncontrollable after taking off the HMD. Have to go into TM and close down SteamVR before it comes back to normal.

Supmua answered on another post but look outside the overlay when pressing the button. It works.

Wicked.- · September 19, 2019

Features added for 1.8.1 beta version were things related to base station for Index Hmd.
Have not noticed any significant improvements for me.

I switched to the beta and along with no longer needing controllers to operate the camera or overlay, the image seems clearer with my same setting and no stuttering.... yet

Gnadentod · September 19, 2019

DCS is CPU clockspeed/GHz dependent. You really want to be at or above 5.0Ghz. AMD's aren't going to do that.

With the new BIOS updates for Ryzen the 3800/3900X chips are as fast as, if not faster than the 9900K in single core. So that's wrong in terms of real world performance later. Before you reply I'm saying that Ryzen 4.6 GHz equals Intels 5.0/1/2 GHz because it's a different architecture. It's roughly the same speed.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Der Hirte

imacken · September 19, 2019

Supmua answered on another post but look outside the overlay when pressing the button. It works.

With last night's 1.8.3 update, all issues resolved.

1) fpsVR and other overlays all OK

2) exit from Steam overlays by holding down the Index button just like controllers and selecting cancel. Double pressing while looking away also works, but it brings up the camera image as well, and

3) the bouncing dektop cursor when SteamVr was loaded issue has gone to.

I continue to be impressed by how quickly these issues are resolved in SteamVR.

Edited September 19, 2019 by imacken

Wicked.- · September 19, 2019

With the new BIOS updates for Ryzen the 3800/3900X chips are as fast as, if not faster than the 9900K in single core. So that's wrong in terms of real world performance later. Before you reply I'm saying that Ryzen 4.6 GHz equals Intels 5.0/1/2 GHz because it's a different architecture. It's roughly the same speed.

Where are the benchmarks for DCS? Has anyone posted them or started a thread I can go look at and compare?

Thanks

imacken · September 19, 2019

CPU clock speeds are only comparable with chips with the same architecture. Otherwise it’s apples and pears.

The Intel Pentium had a clock speed of almost 4GHz about 15 years ago!

Supmua · September 19, 2019

https://www.techspot.com/review/1877-core-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-9-3900x/

For pure gaming Intel is still a tad faster overall, but when it comes to 4K gaming it is the GPU that is the deciding factor.

When it comes to productivity program, the new AMD chips beat Intel by a long shot.

Wicked.- · September 19, 2019

I agree the new AMD chips are powerhouses for multi-core, multi-thread applications and programs. What was suggested originally (when discussing best upgrade for FPS in DCS VR) is that AMD is the better chip for DCS. Disregarding all software other than DCS and focusing only on VR FPS in DCS, which is better? Intel or AMD?

Edited September 19, 2019 by Wicked.-

Supmua · September 19, 2019

Well the 9900K/2080Ti folks would all be using AMD chips if we think they're superior isn't it. Having said that, the type of VR setting we typically use is >4K in rendering resolution so I think you will see no difference between top of the line CPUs from both camps and it will be a matter of who has better GPU and RAM in the setup.

My next PC build might house an AMD CPU, unless Intel comes up with some breakthrough in performance. On the GPU side, nothing beats NVIDIA right now.

Gnadentod · September 20, 2019

https://www.techspot.com/review/1877-core-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-9-3900x/

For pure gaming Intel is still a tad faster overall, but when it comes to 4K gaming it is the GPU that is the deciding factor.

When it comes to productivity program, the new AMD chips beat Intel by a long shot.

Not valid because it uses the old AGESA/BIOS versions, read carefully what I wrote. They are just one or two weeks old. You posted an article from mid July.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4036454&postcount=40

9900K is only "noticeably" faster than the high end Ryzen chips if you achieve ~5.2GHz and even then it's not worth to mention and call it a performance difference.

grimm862 · September 22, 2019

Whilst more cpu cycles sounds right, I get no improvement at all going from 3.9 to 4.4ghz. NOTHING. Exact same event and view. If anything there seems a slight reduction in average fps at the higher setting and thats repeatable. Makes no sense. This was 2D to make the comparisons easier.

That would be because your overclock is unstable or you made some type of mistake in the bios. Either with a power limit or some other type of limiting option. Overclocking is not easy to do right.

Wicked.- · September 22, 2019

If you're getting a reduction in frame rates loosen memory timings.

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