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Old 10-25-2018, 08:04 PM   #21
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I dunno what reviews you read but I read at [H]ard|OCP and those tend to hit the nail on the head. The 2080 is a , sorry, pointless card as long as the 1080ti exists and all other goodies are still nothing but HYPE.
Looking at Vulkan, I rather BET on a 2nd 1080ti and that Vulkan will mGPU properly than hoping for ED to implement ANY of the propietory stuff. That has been mentioned and stated before by ED themselves and from what we can understand from it, this will apply to RayTracing ( by Nv ) and any of their propietory stuff.





BTW, my 1080ti flies past 530GB/sec bandwidth with headroom towards 560Gb/sec. Tho, I am sure you can oc the 2080 as well, just if you start with less, i doubt you catch the 1080ti in bandwidth even when overclocked.

Anyway, I turned down my option for a 2080ti in favour for things that really make my life better If Nvidia had come with something substantial I would be running it TODAY, same with 9900k, same bloody impotent chipset, same bugs, same lame thing, TDP thru the roof but asking 600€....screw yourself Intel and Nvidia
Who`s talking about the 2080ti, the question was regarding the 2080. Are you saying that you would buy the 1080ti over the 2080 for the same price?
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:21 PM   #22
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I turned my option down for a 2080ti as I dont see a price/benefit relation that fits my expectations.



No, I would buy a 2nd 1080ti watercooled over any 2080, even for the same price tho I assume that usually you can get a 1080ti for less than a 2080.
I would rather bet on Vulkan-mGPU than any of the new Nvidia stuff to hit DCS. ED made their statements and by those words, you wont see any of that stuff in DCS.



Anyway, less Cuda cores, less bandwidth, less VRAM, I ask myself how much faster it can be. According to HardOCP the plus is somewhere between 0-10%, so max you may get is 10% plus a bit more, if you are unlucky you end up with stutter and same fps. The 2080 is not the savior of DCS, neither is a 2080ti. I am sure at 4k it still cant push 100fps anywhere everywhere at full LOD but will drop below 60fps at times.



Does it deliver rocksolid 90fps in VR ? If not, not worth buying.



YOu gotta start asking for stuff and not take what you get. Give them nothing and they will learn, very quick, or fade away.


But hey, you came from a 980 series...I can understand your move. I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal.
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:29 PM   #23
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I turned my option down for a 2080ti as I dont see a price/benefit relation that fits my expectations.



No, I would buy a 2nd 1080ti watercooled over any 2080, even for the same price tho I assume that usually you can get a 1080ti for less than a 2080.
I would rather bet on Vulkan-mGPU than any of the new Nvidia stuff to hit DCS. ED made their statements and by those words, you wont see any of that stuff in DCS.



Anyway, less Cuda cores, less bandwidth, less VRAM, I ask myself how much faster it can be. According to HardOCP the plus is somewhere between 0-10%, so max you may get is 10% plus a bit more, if you are unlucky you end up with stutter and same fps. The 2080 is not the savior of DCS, neither is a 2080ti. I am sure at 4k it still cant push 100fps anywhere everywhere at full LOD but will drop below 60fps at times.



Does it deliver rocksolid 90fps in VR ? If not, not worth buying.



YOu gotta start asking for stuff and not take what you get. Give them nothing and they will learn, very quick, or fade away.


But hey, you came from a 980 series...I can understand your move. I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal.
Who mentioned a 2nd 1080ti, the OP was clear in his line of discussion as I was in my question. Would you buy a 1080ti over a 2080 for the same price as a gpu for a pc?

As for the 980, I never had one.

"I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal" as I had already stated as the obvious, and you seem in agreement with.

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Old 10-25-2018, 08:40 PM   #24
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I would never consider a 8GB VRAM card, that upfront. I climb higher not down.


2nd, I think I could get a 1080ti cheaper than a 2080 if I wanted to buy either one and since I am in no hurry at all, I could wait until the prices match my desires.


Sorry for the mishap with the OP's 980ti, my bad.


If I had to buy one now, I think I'd grab the 11GB over the 8GB card.


Just because it's newer doesnt mean it is BETTER in any aspect, maybe in some with a trade for others.



Memory bandwidth is critical in DCS since it uses so much VRAM. Being about 20-25% faster with a 1080ti vs. 2080 is something. If, then I'd get me a 2080ti but I am not spending that much cash for a few fps and a hype. Sorry, I am too old and have sunk too many k's in PC and Servers already, I am past this "ride the hype and pay double extra on top"
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Well I agree that a much cheaper new 1080ti (~200 euro) would be a no brainer over the 2080 as stated. For the same price I`d have to stick with the newer, more advanced tech and by and large better performance of the 2080 over the 1080ti. I wouldn`t be dogmatic about such things and tend to look at the pros and cons in a logical manner in such decisions. If amd had a better gpu on a price /performance scale I`d opt for them over Nvidia just like I`d opt for a cheaper 1080ti, just not for the same price.

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Old 10-26-2018, 12:05 AM   #26
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I just hope that the 3GB missing and the at best same memory bandwidth will not void the benefits in DCS.

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..... and by and large better performance of the 2080 over the 1080ti.
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The reviews I have read state a 0-10% average performance gain across recent games. I dont call this large, it's actually nothing to very little.

I read Guru3d and hardocp for reviews, you may give those a try, no offense.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:45 AM   #27
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I just hope that the 3GB missing and the at best same memory bandwidth will not void the benefits in DCS.

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The reviews I have read state a 0-10% average performance gain across recent games. I dont call this large, it's actually nothing to very little.

I read Guru3d and hardocp for reviews, you may give those a try, no offense.
What offence, if you are happy with 1080ti you shouldn`t feel the need or pressure to upgrade, it`s a perfectly good card. As I said, in your position I wouldn`t upgrade and you shouldn`t feel the need to be on the bleeding edge tech wise. You are not that far behind the 2080 in performance unless DLSS and other VR tech increases that gap on implementation.
I agree the 2080ti would not be good upgrade for you on a cost/performance ratio and the 1080ti seems to serve your needs as it stands. I`m sure Nvidia will keep trading in the meantime and you can upgrade to the more modern tech with the next gen.

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Old 10-31-2018, 06:29 PM   #28
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Hi All,


I'm see a lot of stuttering in VR on my current GPU (980ti), I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade.


In my area store supplies of the 1080ti are running out - fast, so I'd like your opinions on whether I should get one of the last remaining 1080ti or go for the 2080.


I'm not fussed on the RTX feature of the 20XX series cards, but I'm leaning towards the 2080 only because of generational driver support.


Cheers.
I have the 980TI and have started seeing stuttering in Oculus, but it wont be the card, trying to find a thread in the forum on what it could be.
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Just to round out this discussion, I appreciate all the posts guys.


I've been running the 2080 now for a few weeks now without any issues. While the 2080 VRAM is at 8GB, it is GDDR 6 not GDDR 5 and I've been getting buttery smooth frame rates in VR with pretty much all settings on HIGH.


As for the 1080ti, when I went to place my order 2 of the stores had already ran out completely, the last store only had 2 models left and they were reference clocked cards which I stay clear of.


In the end I got the MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X Trio, and so far I'm actually pretty happy with it, it's giving me the performance what I wanted for DCS in VR.


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