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Old 03-14-2019, 08:58 PM   #11
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Nothing is a pain, really - just a matter of getting used to our new baby. The training missions are quite helpful as well, to nail some of the parameters down.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:05 PM   #12
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One thing I can recommend is spending some time in the F-5 if you have that module. After my first few F-14 flights I realized there are a lot of similarities between the way each flies (at least in DCS), but the F-5 is vastly less complicated to operate. You can focus on learning to fly with trim and without a HUD, the gauges are easy to read, and you don’t have fbw to hold your hand. I’m not great at flying the Tomcat yet but I’m catching on quickly and I think 200+ hrs of F-5 time helped a lot.
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One thing I noticed immediately is that the HUD symbology is very misleading if you look at it from the perspective of modern HUDs with their dynamic flight path markers.
I’m pretty sure the sole purpose of the F-14 HUD is to try and kill you. I knew going in that the “horizon” is at +5 deg on the HUD, but I still don’t know why. WHY?? It just doesn’t make any logical sense!
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:17 PM   #13
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I’m pretty sure the sole purpose of the F-14 HUD is to try and kill you. I knew going in that the “horizon” is at +5 deg on the HUD, but I still don’t know why. [I
WHY??[/I] It just doesn’t make any logical sense!

Turn off the HUD. It is meant for weapons delivery, not primary flight reference.

Reference pitch attitude on the VDI and power setting (use fuel flow) for your particular phase of flight. Pitch plus power equals performance. Power is set using fuel flow. Trim to remove all control pressures and make small pitch and power corrections. Note the fuel flow for a particular KIAS in level flight, then any time you set that fuel flow and pitch, and guess what, you'll end up at that speed.

You are flying a real aircraft now, it uses the same technique that you'd use to fly a Cessna on your first flying lesson.

There is an "F14 Handling Tips" article in the Sticky section above that was written by an extremely handsome and debonair pilot that may help as well.

It's just an airplane. Stay positive.

Quite interesting to see the difficulty the FBW pilots are having with a natural stability platform.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:17 PM   #14
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TRIM, TRIM, TRIM, and when you think you've trimmed it enough, TRIM AGAIN!

It's an analog airframe, it requires trim as constantly as a 152.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:35 PM   #15
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One thing I saw is that I have to be really careful and sensitive with my joystick (warthog) compared to other aircrafts.

Maybe I just need to correct sensitivity, anyway just stopping slamming it as I was doing with the F18 and start to apply smooth, small pressure helped a lot in starting to kill... MIG28s in that damned instant action mission over Nevada...
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:47 PM   #16
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One thing I saw is that I have to be really careful and sensitive with my joystick (warthog) compared to other aircrafts.

Maybe I just need to correct sensitivity, anyway just stopping slamming it as I was doing with the F18 and start to apply smooth, small pressure helped a lot in starting to kill... MIG28s in that damned instant action mission over Nevada...
It helps to set a sensitivity curve. I have a pretty steep curve on my end, and she flies pretty nice once trimmed out.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:49 PM   #17
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[...] Trim to remove all control pressures and make small pitch and power corrections. [...]

You are flying a real aircraft now, it uses the same technique that you'd use to fly a Cessna on your first flying lesson. [...]

Quite interesting to see the difficulty the FBW pilots are having with a natural stability platform.

The problems in DCS are arising out of the inability to get more feedback than the visual when trying to trim out the aircraft. In real life (or with FFB of course) you can, as you just wrote trim away the control forces.


This is incidently also the same reason why trying to trim out a modern Airbus (if autotrim has failed) is really annoying - no feedback other than in instrumentation and the ergonomically poor placement of the trim switches doesn't help either.


And yeah, you really get used to a good HUD and all the information it brings you - which makes for quite a difference once it is not available.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:54 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=Gimbal;3838412

-Getting the aircraft level is a pain, or even just descending and ascending, I'll be going down at a decent vert-speed, touch the throttle a little bit and now oh look I'm descending faster, or even climbing, or anything but what I want to do.

-The same issue for maintaining a speed, this is a little bit better but coupled with the altitude issue it's just extremely hard because if I touch my speed or even breath too hard the aircraft is going to do something I don't want it to do.

-The on-speed AOA is really confusing, maybe I'm looking at it too much from a hornet perspective, but I can't find any resources that explain it. "It says I'm slow so I'll speed up, annnd not I'm at +30 degrees."

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This aircraft simulation by Heatblur is nothing short of incredible! The F-14 is more of a stick and rudder bird than any other modern fighter in DCS.

To get the aircraft level first start with the Horizon display and the vertical speed then look at the HUD to see what that gets you to hold level.

Now - understand that every speed/power change is going to require a different pitch position to hold level.

For landing, the F-14 has a high pitch angle on final requires full speed brakes and DLC engaged. Make sure you understand what DLC is and how to use it. It should be mapped to your controller.


Pay attention to the E bracket in the HUD for speed adjustments instead of the AOA lights. It will give you a much better indication of the trends. Then once you are trimmed up on speed, make only very small adjustments to the power and use the DLC to help control your glidepath to the runway.


If you are getting a lot of wing rocking, you need to unload the elevator and trim more. Also, learn how to use the rudders to stay coordinated. Think - step on the ball to keep it centered.


Lastly, have a little patience - if you think controlling speed on landing is difficult, just wait until you start dog-fighting. Under standing "corner speed" and learning how you are going to have to keep coordinated and manage small pitch inputs along with power is going to be a whole other learning process!

Oh yeah - Don't forget to - Have fun!

It's just a game after all!
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:54 PM   #19
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What sort of control setup are you using, sick/pedals?. Curves? I'm not finding it much harder to fly than the F18 really unless I do stupid things at high speed. And it honestly feels more like I'm actually flying a real plane to me compared to many of the other modules. And honestly I'm no ace pilot by any stretch of the imagination. I do have TM warthog with a 10cm extension which helps alot with small movements.

The only thing that's less than great for me is reading the airspd gauge unless I zoom way in, but I'm on low res VR so thats on me, and not the module. And even then I can see where the needle is and once I figured out how it worked I could guesstimate airspd at a glance.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:58 PM   #20
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What sort of control setup are you using, sick/pedals?. Curves? I'm not finding it much harder to fly than the F18 really unless I do stupid things at high speed. And it honestly feels more like I'm actually flying a real plane to me compared to many of the other modules. And honestly I'm no ace pilot by any stretch of the imagination. I do have TM warthog with a 10cm extension which helps alot with small movements.

The only thing that's less than great for me is reading the airspd gauge unless I zoom way in, but I'm on low res VR so thats on me, and not the module. And even then I can see where the needle is and once I figured out how it worked I could guesstimate airspd at a glance.

I'm currently using a t16000m FCS.
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