Buckeye Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Has anyone had an issue with SimShaker for Aviators software causing a MASSIVE hit to performance by way of constant stuttering and frame rate loss? If I delete the Scripts Folder contents for SimShaker (and modify it out of my Export.lua), everything runs great...I maintain mostly 45+ FPS. I've spent upwards of 12 hours of trial and error trying to figure out why my DCS all of the sudden stopped running well, and I have pinpointed it to this. If I delete the above files and never let SSA open, I can open DCS and run it perfectly. If I open SimShaker and then launch DCS, as soon as the scripts for SSA are recreated in the folder I: 1) load in to the server with constant stutters 2) have terrible FPS performance, locked essentially to 22-23FPS I've watched the CPU usage for SSA and it starts low single digit % but eventually goes up to 40%+...so it appears like even though DCS is running (and SSA is giving me the vibration feedback), SSA is doing it's typical CPU usage of when its in "I'm looking for DCS" mode...the really odd thing is that the vibrations from the seat maintain flawlessly even though the CPU usage would suggest that it's searching for DCS. I've also noticed that multiple SimShaker processes open in the Task Manager? (mutiple process with the red icon, not just the standard 1 red and 1 green icon SS's) Worth noting that I also run Voice Attack + VAICOM. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated...I've been on such a long path of troubleshooting to get to this point that I am willing to try anything :( 1 VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Has anyone had an issue with SimShaker for Aviators software causing a MASSIVE hit to performance by way of constant stuttering and frame rate loss? If I delete the Scripts Folder contents for SimShaker (and modify it out of my Export.lua), everything runs great...I maintain mostly 45+ FPS. I've spent upwards of 12 hours of trial and error trying to figure out why my DCS all of the sudden stopped running well, and I have pinpointed it to this. If I delete the above files and never let SSA open, I can open DCS and run it perfectly. If I open SimShaker and then launch DCS, as soon as the scripts for SSA are recreated in the folder I: 1) load in to the server with constant stutters 2) have terrible FPS performance, locked essentially to 22-23FPS I've watched the CPU usage for SSA and it starts low single digit % but eventually goes up to 40%+...so it appears like even though DCS is running (and SSA is giving me the vibration feedback), SSA is doing it's typical CPU usage of when its in "I'm looking for DCS" mode...the really odd thing is that the vibrations from the seat maintain flawlessly even though the CPU usage would suggest that it's searching for DCS. I've also noticed that multiple SimShaker processes open in the Task Manager? (mutiple process with the red icon, not just the standard 1 red and 1 green icon SS's) Worth noting that I also run Voice Attack + VAICOM. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated...I've been on such a long path of troubleshooting to get to this point that I am willing to try anything :( Hey Buckeye, thx for your feedback... I never had an issue with SSA and I'm running it together with my Rift. However, when SSA detects a running DCS instance it starts waiting for incomming messages. This waiting may produce some load on the CPU. But once you hopped in a supported plane the load should reduce... Maybe multiple instances of SSA are running? How do you start SSA? Since SSA is multi threaded it's normal to see more multiple SSA threads attached to the main process... Cheers Olaf f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Hey Buckeye, thx for your feedback... I never had an issue with SSA and I'm running it together with my Rift. However, when SSA detects a running DCS instance it starts waiting for incomming messages. This waiting may produce some load on the CPU. But once you hopped in a supported plane the load should reduce... Maybe multiple instances of SSA are running? How do you start SSA? Since SSA is multi threaded it's normal to see more multiple SSA threads attached to the main process... Cheers Olaf Appreciate the quick response, and I totally understand that my circumstance is a one off...something has definitely gone sideways, I just can't pinpoint exactly what yet. To launch SSA I just open the red icon's SSA.exe (it then opens both the red icon and green icon programs for SSA...sorry I have to deal in the icon colors for now and not the proper porgram names for now because I'm at the office and don't have access to my Sim PC). Is this incorrect? The oddest part to me is that it causes the massive stuttering in my CV1 HMD...so something, somewhere in my rig is being overstressed (or having a conflict with another program) when the SSA software is activated. VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Appreciate the quick response, and I totally understand that my circumstance is a one off...something has definitely gone sideways, I just can't pinpoint exactly what yet. To launch SSA I just open the red icon's SSA.exe (it then opens both the red icon and green icon programs for SSA...sorry I have to deal in the icon colors for now and not the proper porgram names for now because I'm at the office and don't have access to my Sim PC). Is this incorrect? The oddest part to me is that it causes the massive stuttering in my CV1 HMD...so something, somewhere in my rig is being overstressed (or having a conflict with another program) when the SSA software is activated. I'm currently in the office as well... You could try another USB port. Maybe one directly at your computer... Otherwise, does the SSA log provide some information? f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I'm currently in the office as well... You could try another USB port. Maybe one directly at your computer... Otherwise, does the SSA log provide some information? If you let me know what files you'd like me to post for your review, I will post them as soon as I get home tonight. I will also try a different USB port as well :thumbup: VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 I just released a new beta: Version 1.0.2.7 – beta release - KA-50/Mi-8 ground bump fixed - Spitfire AoA values tweaked - Jet engine rumble slightly tweaked I hope to release a new stable the upcoming weekend... f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMillerTime Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks for the update, sir! Would you by chance take a look at the F5, when the afterburner engage, the rumble effects get softer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks for the update, sir! Would you by chance take a look at the F5, when the afterburner engage, the rumble effects get softer. Hmm, when the AB is engaged the jet engine rumble stops and the afterburner rumble takes over. Thus you might need to adjust the AB effect strength? f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMillerTime Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks for the suggestion, I have not tweaked any strength, running all stock levels. I'll have a look. Although I have not ever flown a jet with an After Burner, would it be safe to say that the vibrations are more pronounced w/ AB engaging? If so, I would suggest increasing the stock values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) IRL there's no vibration for either. Just a lot of acceleration. It's reasonable to simulate that acceleration with rumble. Though I haven't received my JetSeat yet, I'd really like to try replacing any constant jet rumble with a lower back rumble that matches linear acceleration rate. (Nx dot) Edited April 4, 2018 by aaron886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 We only have vibrations thus we can only mimic some effects... Currently only acceleration around roll and pitch is modelled with the G-Feeling which feels imo (an other real pilots) strange since it hides high AoA effects etc. Playing around with the strengths is important to match each personal style and setup. Im using a seat and a buttkicker for example. f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moespeeds Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I have started having this same issue. Lots of stuttering in VR. I exit SimShaker and everything smooths out. I am using the Sound Module plugin. This seems to have started right around the time that I added a second shaker (Same AMP) to my rig, but I can't be positive. Has anyone had an issue with SimShaker for Aviators software causing a MASSIVE hit to performance by way of constant stuttering and frame rate loss? If I delete the Scripts Folder contents for SimShaker (and modify it out of my Export.lua), everything runs great...I maintain mostly 45+ FPS. I've spent upwards of 12 hours of trial and error trying to figure out why my DCS all of the sudden stopped running well, and I have pinpointed it to this. If I delete the above files and never let SSA open, I can open DCS and run it perfectly. If I open SimShaker and then launch DCS, as soon as the scripts for SSA are recreated in the folder I: 1) load in to the server with constant stutters 2) have terrible FPS performance, locked essentially to 22-23FPS I've watched the CPU usage for SSA and it starts low single digit % but eventually goes up to 40%+...so it appears like even though DCS is running (and SSA is giving me the vibration feedback), SSA is doing it's typical CPU usage of when its in "I'm looking for DCS" mode...the really odd thing is that the vibrations from the seat maintain flawlessly even though the CPU usage would suggest that it's searching for DCS. I've also noticed that multiple SimShaker processes open in the Task Manager? (mutiple process with the red icon, not just the standard 1 red and 1 green icon SS's) Worth noting that I also run Voice Attack + VAICOM. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated...I've been on such a long path of troubleshooting to get to this point that I am willing to try anything :( Moe "Moespeeds" Colontonio vVMA 231 http://www.vvma-231.com/ Looking for a serious US based Harrier Squadron? We are recruiting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Hey guys, the SoundModule is maintained/developed by Andre. We plan to release a new (separate) SSA and SoundModule version soon. However, I'm currently extremely busy with finishing my PhD thesis. So I have to delay most work until I submitted my thesis... You could test the current beta version and check if the stuttering is also there... f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0414 Wee Neal Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Jetseat/Simshaker problem Hi f4l0 I have a Jetseat and Simshaker for Aviators, all was working on the DCS 2.5 open beta. I updated the whole install with fresh and copied and pasted saved game folder on completion. Unfortunately I now the jetseat does not work in DCS. I have tested the motors etc and that all works, any suggestions on what the problem may be? Thanks Neal Desktop PC: Intel i7 14700K, MSI Z790 MAG Tomahawk MOBO, 64Gb RAM , GPU Nvidia RTX 3080ti Windows 11, VPC joystick, Crosswind rudder peddles, HP Reverb G2, VPC Collective, DOF Reality H2, Gametrix seat, WinWing panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Hi f4l0 I have a Jetseat and Simshaker for Aviators, all was working on the DCS 2.5 open beta. I updated the whole install with fresh and copied and pasted saved game folder on completion. Unfortunately I now the jetseat does not work in DCS. I have tested the motors etc and that all works, any suggestions on what the problem may be? Thanks Neal For a test, you could remove the export.lua from your profile. Might be better to make a backup first... f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0414 Wee Neal Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Hi it appears to be a .net framework error: See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ************** Exception Text ************** System.Net.Sockets.SocketException (0x80004005): Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is normally permitted at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.DoBind(EndPoint endPointSnapshot, SocketAddress socketAddress) at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.Bind(EndPoint localEP) at System.Net.Sockets.UdpClient..ctor(Int32 port, AddressFamily family) at SimShaker.Core.DataProvider.DCSDataProvider..ctor(CallBackOnAircraftChange callBackOnAircraftChange, Action callbackPlayEffects, Action callbackStopEffects) at SimShaker.Core.MasterManager..ctor(MainForm link) at SimShaker.UI.MainForm..ctor() at SimShaker.UI.AutoStarterForm.timer1_Tick(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Timer.OnTick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Timer.TimerNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) ************** Loaded Assemblies ************** mscorlib Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2633.0 built by: NET471REL1LAST_C CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll ---------------------------------------- System Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2556.0 built by: NET471REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- SimShaker for Aviators Assembly Version: 1.0.1.43 Win32 Version: 1.0.1.43 CodeBase: file:///C:/Users/Neal/AppData/Local/Apps/2.0/CKXPA4N1.PVC/TPYBEQX5.LPQ/sims..tion_8d02fb54339bfb80_0001.0000_2430d52dcbb5675b/SimShaker%20for%20Aviators.exe ---------------------------------------- System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2556.0 built by: NET471REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Drawing Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2556.0 built by: NET471REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Configuration Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2556.0 built by: NET471REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Core Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2633.0 built by: NET471REL1LAST_C CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Xml Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2612.0 built by: NET471REL1LAST_B CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll ---------------------------------------- Accessibility Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.7.2556.0 built by: NET471REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Accessibility.dll ---------------------------------------- ************** JIT Debugging ************** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: <configuration> <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" /> </configuration> When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box. Desktop PC: Intel i7 14700K, MSI Z790 MAG Tomahawk MOBO, 64Gb RAM , GPU Nvidia RTX 3080ti Windows 11, VPC joystick, Crosswind rudder peddles, HP Reverb G2, VPC Collective, DOF Reality H2, Gametrix seat, WinWing panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0414 Wee Neal Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Hi I uninstalled Simshaker and jetseat and reloaded all. It now only picks up the 2.5 release version and it appears to install all .lua files in the saved games folder. I have checked to make sure that it is allowed through the firewall and I have deleted the export.lua and it still does not work? Any help appreciated. Thanks Neal Dont worry all working now - no idea why! Edited April 8, 2018 by Bluethornton update Desktop PC: Intel i7 14700K, MSI Z790 MAG Tomahawk MOBO, 64Gb RAM , GPU Nvidia RTX 3080ti Windows 11, VPC joystick, Crosswind rudder peddles, HP Reverb G2, VPC Collective, DOF Reality H2, Gametrix seat, WinWing panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Dont worry all working now - no idea why! Maybe one of the mystic goblins working inside the computer had a bad day? :-D Good to hear that everything works... f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 SSA is autostarting with windows10 startup. It is not showing in the Shell;startup folder. Not sure how it is autostarting. Any ides how to deactivate it? A Co, 229th AHB, 1st Cav Div ASUS Prime Z370-A MB, Intel Core i7 8700K 5.0GHz OC'd, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, Win 10 Samsung 65" 4K Curved Display (Oculus Rift occaisionally), Track IR5, VoiceAttack, Baur's BRD-N Cyclic base/Virpil T-50CM Grip, UH-1h Collective by Microhelis & OE-XAM Pedals. JetSeat & SimShaker for Aviators. JUST CHOPPERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moespeeds Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Go into the windows search bar, type "msconfig", find "startup" and disable anything you don't want to start with windows. Moe "Moespeeds" Colontonio vVMA 231 http://www.vvma-231.com/ Looking for a serious US based Harrier Squadron? We are recruiting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tester Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 It is possible and as have written a post earlier, but... On the right or in a system tray to click with the right button of a mouse on an icon of the program. To choose "Open setting". To remove the corresponding check the appeared menu the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Good help Gents. Got it disabled thru Task Manager. I forgot that when the engine won't start, check that there is gas in the tank Thanks A Co, 229th AHB, 1st Cav Div ASUS Prime Z370-A MB, Intel Core i7 8700K 5.0GHz OC'd, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, Win 10 Samsung 65" 4K Curved Display (Oculus Rift occaisionally), Track IR5, VoiceAttack, Baur's BRD-N Cyclic base/Virpil T-50CM Grip, UH-1h Collective by Microhelis & OE-XAM Pedals. JetSeat & SimShaker for Aviators. JUST CHOPPERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harf4ng Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Hi, Simshaker for aviator does not support helicopters in xplane11? Thanks Favorite modules : Huey, F-86F, F14 and P-51D Quest 2, RTX 3080, i7 10700K, 16 Gb of RAM, Pro Flight Trainer PUMA helicopter setup, Warthog HOTAS with two force sensitive stick, custom cockpit and a GS-Cobra dynamic seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4l0 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Hi, Simshaker for aviator does not support helicopters in xplane11? Thanks Should work. At least it worked... I'm currently still busy with my thesis. Will submit it this or next week. After that I should have some free time to work on SSA... f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harf4ng Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Thanks and good luck for your thesis. Envoyé de mon SM-G955F en utilisant Tapatalk Favorite modules : Huey, F-86F, F14 and P-51D Quest 2, RTX 3080, i7 10700K, 16 Gb of RAM, Pro Flight Trainer PUMA helicopter setup, Warthog HOTAS with two force sensitive stick, custom cockpit and a GS-Cobra dynamic seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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