F/A18E/F Super Hornets block 1 and BLock 2 E/F ( lot 26)

With the EF eventually coming in, yet another reason to want a Super Hornet.

 

 

Not that i think that pre AESA model Super Hornet will offer any competitive edge or let alone parity against the Euro fighter would in A2A arena relative to the current DCS Legacy Hornet apart from having bit more advanced EW protective suite due to carrying AN/ALE50 towed decoy internally.

From that day Eurofighter Typhoon announced, I have a similar thought.

As said above, getting a block 1(AN/APG-73 version) Rhino should not be unrealistic(seeing VRS F/A-18F Rhino for P3Dv4 and possible for future new Microsoft Flight Simulator). Further more, F/A-18F Rhino block 1 will undoubtedly be a ideal counterpart for Typhoon.

How wonderful it is New-era 4th Generation Fighters for DCS world: Eurofighter Typhoon For Air Force fans(LW, RAF...), and F/A-18F for Navy fans(good for RAAF fans as well)!

From that day Eurofighter Typhoon announced, I have a similar thought.

 

As said above, getting a block 1(AN/APG-73 version) Rhino should not be unrealistic(seeing VRS F/A-18F Rhino for P3Dv4 and possible for future new Microsoft Flight Simulator). Further more, F/A-18F Rhino block 1 will undoubtedly be a ideal counterpart for Typhoon.

 

How wonderful it is New-era 4th Generation Fighters for DCS world: Eurofighter Typhoon For Air Force fans(LW, RAF...), and F/A-18F for Navy fans(good for RAAF fans as well)!

a different dev had also made a EF for that other sim.

I don't think it ever really was an unrealistic expectation to have a Block 1 Super Hornet. hence why i started this thread. IF anything i always though the Super Hornets was more feasible to see in DCS than the EF, because so many shared systems with late life legacy hornet.

From that day Eurofighter Typhoon announced, I have a similar thought.

 

As said above, getting a block 1(AN/APG-73 version) Rhino should not be unrealistic(seeing VRS F/A-18F Rhino for P3Dv4 and possible for future new Microsoft Flight Simulator). Further more, F/A-18F Rhino block 1 will undoubtedly be a ideal counterpart for Typhoon.

 

How wonderful it is New-era 4th Generation Fighters for DCS world: Eurofighter Typhoon For Air Force fans(LW, RAF...), and F/A-18F for Navy fans(good for RAAF fans as well)!

Not just good for RAAF and USN fans ;), since the Luftwaffe is deciding to acquire Super Hornets and operate them alongside the Eurofighters.

https://theaviationist.com/2020/03/26/germany-set-to-replace-tornado-jets-with-mixed-eurofighter-and-super-hornet-fleet/

Granted these are going to be Block 3 Advanced Super Hornets and not Block 1.

Not just good for RAAF and USN fans ;), since the Luftwaffe is deciding to acquire Super Hornets and operate them alongside the Eurofighters.

 

 

 

https://theaviationist.com/2020/03/26/germany-set-to-replace-tornado-jets-with-mixed-eurofighter-and-super-hornet-fleet/

 

Granted these are going to be Block 3 Advanced Super Hornets and not Block 1.

Wow... Rhinos have been selected by LW.

Typhoon and Rhino would be double happiness for LW fans.:lol:

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I’m resurrecting this thread, I think my ideal choice would be a lot 26 F with APG-73. For two seats and the new displays to give it lots of separation between our legacy lot 20 C. It would add a lot of authenticity to a mid 2000s CSG and fit very nicely into DCSWs navel composition.

I completely agree. I'd really like to hear what ED has to say about this idea. Wags said most information was classified but that was over 2 years ago.

I’m resurrecting this thread, I think my ideal choice would be a lot 26 F with APG-73. For two seats and the new displays to give it lots of separation between our legacy lot 20 C. It would add a lot of authenticity to a mid 2000s CSG and fit very nicely into DCSWs navel composition.

Block 1's already had new DDI displays with the very last production lot ( Lot 25) as to create a baseline for block 2.

The main difference is that the Lot 26 air frame has a redesigned nose to house APG79 with its larger antenna ( for when they became available to replace APG73) . Although relative to lot 25 the lot 26 F model will have the larger 8x10 display for the WSO.

i too would rather have a Block 2 Lot 26 with APG73, just for the reason that down the line if enough information becomes available there could be potential for an "AESA" radar DLC.

Yeah I don’t see why not, if they can get enough info for it. I just want to us to have something as different as possible to what we have now. I would really like an EA-18G but I HIGHLY doubt we will see that or any dedicated EW platform anytime soon.

I would like to echo Kev2go's comments.

A Block II E model (lot 26 or later) would be a fantastic opportunity for ED to make $....

With TG II approaching, its the jet "everybody" is going to want (well lots of people).

What id give for an F model option .Even just external model allowing front seat only to be occupied.

What i'm praying for - is that ED are secretly balls deep in the Rhino development, and that the first we officially know of it is when they announce its release as a complete module.

(ideally completing the existing Chuck Lot 20 1st).

I would like to echo Kev2go's comments.

 

A Block II E model (lot 26 or later) would be a fantastic opportunity for ED to make $....

 

With TG II approaching, its the jet "everybody" is going to want (well lots of people).

 

What id give for an F model option .Even just external model allowing front seat only to be occupied.

 

What i'm praying for - is that ED are secretly balls deep in the Rhino development, and that the first we officially know of it is when they announce its release as a complete module.

 

(ideally completing the existing Chuck Lot 20 1st).

Top Gun Maverick was Pushed to December, and will be pushed again to next June (announcement pending), while they re-shoot some scenes and adjust Val Kilmer's CGI'd Face.

Block II/Lot 26 no longer has Cockpit Commonality w/ F/A-18C Lot 20, the Software architecture changes, the displays change, the radar change, half the sub systems for radio's change, a majority of the supporting systems in the cockpit change.

Not to mention, a majority of the new systems, are classified.

Block II Production Lines have transitioned to Block III.

The Last Block II was Turned Over to VFA - 34 on Apr. 17th.

USN Will have 1st 2 Block III's to test by June 30th.

10 more Block I/LRIP Airframes were transferred to USN Demonstration Squadron.

Top Gun Maverick was Pushed to December, and will be pushed again to next June (announcement pending)

:(

They are really pushing it to June 2021 now?????

Concerning a Rhino...yeah, it'd be nice but I want the current Hornet finished first.

:(

 

They are really pushing it to June 2021 now?????

 

 

Concerning a Rhino...yeah, it'd be nice but I want the current Hornet finished first.

Paramount is pushing it to reshoot some more footage and CGI Val Kilmer some more.

Yes Top Gun has CGI, Val Kilmers Face.

Paramount is pushing it to reshoot some more footage and CGI Val Kilmer some more.

 

Yes Top Gun has CGI, Val Kilmers Face.

Where did you see they are pushing the release date back more? I can't find anything on it.

I think the two seater F/A-18F Super Hornet could also have more viability to come to DCS in the future to distance it self more from the hornet DCS already has. That way it would also open the door for the EA-18G Growler further down the road.

F and Growler have different Tooling and have several physical and system changes.

F and Growler have different Tooling and have several physical and system changes.

That is true to an extent. Last I read Australia had bought 12 F/A-18F+ that come pre-wired from the factory for possible conversion to EA-18G Growler configuration. So technically developing a EA-18G Growler from a F/A-18F module would not be too difficult. :smilewink:

That is true to an extent. Last I read Australia had bought 12 F/A-18F+ that come pre-wired from the factory for possible conversion to EA-18G Growler configuration. So technically developing a EA-18G Growler from a F/A-18F module would not be too difficult. :smilewink:

They Basically Bought All Growlers, So If/When they decide to Make them growlers, they add radios, pods and a few other components. done, no rebuild necassary.

So If they ever lost a Growler they can salvage the radios and simply add the Components to the "F+" Models.

The Last Few Lots of Block II's were all pre-wired to be Growlers by default, so they didn't have to run more lines than needed, Order F's, you get Growlers, Minus the Radios, Pods and other Components. Cheaper to Build them ready, than to rebuild later.

Sorta like now how all Block III Airframes are Prewired to be Growlers, and Even have all the Radios included off the line, Just need to the Pods and a few other components.

Top Gun Maverick was Pushed to December, and will be pushed again to next June (announcement pending), while they re-shoot some scenes and adjust Val Kilmer's CGI'd Face.

 

Block II/Lot 26 no longer has Cockpit Commonality w/ F/A-18C Lot 20, the Software architecture changes, the displays change, the radar change, half the sub systems for radio's change, a majority of the supporting systems in the cockpit change.

Not to mention, a majority of the new systems, are classified.

 

Block II Production Lines have transitioned to Block III.

The Last Block II was Turned Over to VFA - 34 on Apr. 17th.

USN Will have 1st 2 Block III's to test by June 30th.

10 more Block I/LRIP Airframes were transferred to USN Demonstration Squadron.

Actually Lot 26's were still fitted with APG73's. Lot26's didn't get fitted with APG79 operationally at the start of its service life. It was s post production refit that came some years later. That is why Lot 26's are included into the poll. Hell even ECP 6038R2 ( fibre channel switches and 8X10 displays for F/A18F) was a refit for LOt 26's. An early life Lot 26 is barely a block 2 aircraft. ( but then thats why you had the marketers come up with block 2+ nomenclature) It has the provisions for lots of planned features at the start of its life but isnt really much more capable than the block 1 lot 25 until they are retrofitted eventually.

Although Block 2's were planned to have APG79's from the get go, due to operational development and testing issues of the APG79 this didnt come into fruition as initially intended,

One of the first aircraft with this APG79 radar was actually F/A18F BUNO 166639, A lot 27 production aircraft. ( and mind you this is only in "operation" with a test and evaluation squadron VX9 during 2005), same year it was only being declared for IOC. Up until 2007 only 28 APG79's had been produced.

Lot 30 is when the APG79 went into full scale production. Hence why USN ordered 135 upgrade kits to have various block 2 LOt 26- lot 29 aircraft refitted with APG79 post production.

Actually Lot 26's were still fitted with APG73's. Lot26's didn't get fitted with APG79 operationally at the start of its service life. It was s post production refit that came some years later. That is why Lot 26's are included into the poll. Hell even ECP 6038R2 ( fibre channel switches and 8X10 displays for F/A18F) was a refit for LOt 26's. An early life Lot 26 is barely a block 2 aircraft. ( but then thats why you had the marketers come up with block 2+ nomenclature) It has the provisions for lots of planned features at the start of its life but isnt really much more capable than the block 1 lot 25 which was meant to serve as baseline for block 2's.

 

 

Although Block 2's were planned to have APG79's from the get go, due to operational development and testing issues of the APG79 this didnt come into fruition as initially intended,

 

 

One of the first aircraft with this APG79 radar was actually F/A18F BUNO 166639, A lot 27 production aircraft. ( and mind you this is only in "operation" with a test and evaluation squadron VX9 during 2005), same year it was only being declared for IOC. Up until 2007 only 28 APG79's had been produced.

 

 

Lot 30 is when the APG79 went into full scale production Hence why USN ordered 135 upgrade kits to have various block 2 LOt 26- lot 29 aircraft refitted post post production.

Lot 26's were fitted w/ AN/APG-79 by the end of Q2 2008.

This is 2020.

Chances of Finding a "off the line Spec Lot 26" are 0%.

It's not even about just the radar;

The supporting systems, countermeasures systems, radios, video recorders, digital map system, displays and Programming language were all changed.

Lot 26's were fitted w/ AN/APG-79 by the end of Q2 2008.

 

This is 2020.

 

Chances of Finding a "off the line Spec Lot 26" are 0%.

 

It's not even about just the radar;

The supporting systems, countermeasures systems, radios, video recorders, digital map system, displays and Programming language were all changed.

And? thats not a requirement. The chances of finding a F16C in the USAF still using the same avionics and exact same software tapes from 2007 is also pretty slim......

OR and F/A18C lot 20 as it was circa 2005.....

No one is saying the Super Hornet has to be a 2008- present day vehicle...... In fact this is exactly why the Thread is only about Block 1's and only up a early block 2 lot 26, and no further ones.

Programming launguage used RL thing is irrelevant. ED only emulates. DCS modules is not an exact replica of the aircraft. Just look how much stuff ED was able to streamline from Hornet development into Viper, and those are totally different aircaft altogether made by entirely different defence contractors.

And? thats not a requirement. The chances of finding a F16C in the USAF still using the same avionics and exact same software tapes from 2007 is also pretty slim......

 

OR and F/A18C lot 20 as it was circa 2005.....

 

 

No one is saying the Super Hornet has to be a 2008- present day vehicle...... In fact this is exactly why the Thread is only about Block 1's and only up a early block 2 lot 26, and no further ones.

 

Programming launguage used RL thing is irrelevant. ED only emulates. DCS modules is not an exact replica of the aircraft. Just look how much stuff ED was able to streamline from Hornet development into Viper, and those are totally different aircaft altogether made by entirely different defence contractors.

there's prolly no one on this forum that wants a Super Hornet more than me.

Just Saying.

One of the reasons why I would like Super Hornet (among many) is 6 x Maverick instead of 4 x on Hornet

Just having the Rhino for the purpose of A2A tanking is IMO necessary for realism with current DCS US Naval Assets. The S-3 was retired completely from the boat in 09 and was well on it's way out in the "Mid-2000s" if we're using the current hornet as a starting point.

Not to mention the fact that the Rhino by that time was getting pretty prolific in the fleet. Not having one in DCS at all in any form, breaks with reality for that time period.

F/A-18E Super Hornet Request with Idea on how to model realism.

Hello DCS World,

From watching the interview with the CEO of Eagle Dynamics on Growling Sidewinders youtube channel, I found out that DCS world does some backwards engineering when it comes to the design, modeling, and implementation of new Aircraft Modules.

My suggestion for the development of a highly desired F/A-18E Super Hornet Module from the majority of the community, I would say is it possible for Eagle Dynamics to use a former popular game title from the early days Janes F/A-18E Super Hornet?

When it came to avionics and combat systems I think Janes did a great job of simulating the weapons systems, avionics, ECM Jamming to include the TALD platform, and other features the Super Hornet possessed.

My suggestion is since ED uses some forms of reverse engineering can they use a proven title such as Janes F/A-18E as reference for Avionics and Weapons systems and to get the flight simulation data from other known reputable sources for other components and systmes of the F/A-18E Super Hornet.

If ED where able to develop a Super Hornet I would gladly pay 80.00 to 120.00 USD for this module in the new rich DCS 2.5 World Environment with the new and Improved Super Carrier Module I already own.

Do you guys think this is a good idea for the development of an F/A-18E or even an F/A-18F or 18G Module?