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Old 06-27-2017, 10:38 PM   #121
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Hi IronMike one thing, if it is possible, next time place only one AWACS in each side, for example in NM and feet in blue side, and KM and meters in the Red, for me was a mess receiving both systems in voice and text messages. I lost the combat SA precisely, due the height given sometimes in meters and other in feet. I received a message from AWACS telling me that the enemy was 12 far and angels 23000, and I quick turned noticing that the guy was about 20km away and almost at my same height! for me in the MIG-29 was really a mess, I prefer to calculate mentally the distances from NM to KM and feet to meters or viceversa.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:28 PM   #122
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Hello!
I enjoyed flying at this event. Nice Job!

The only thing to point is that some pilots use the Guard "Channel" to ask you (Commander) for instructions instead of using a direct whisper to your Command channel. So in my case, those conversations where overlapping whit my flight comms interrupting not just the internal comms but the focus you need to have while inputting coordinates into the Viggen INS!

Other than that... awesome event!
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Old 06-28-2017, 07:56 AM   #123
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PS: Briggers: you violated the bullseye nofly waypoint rule, to not fly closer than 25nm, probably this came from at least a partial loss of SA, as I remember you pushing too far and calling you back way before already, as I called you and Rabb to patrol closer over the ships. That drifting from station, iirc, got you encircled by enemy air in the end so you pushed even further into the ship's reach. that is all from memory now, mate, but maybe we can offer a tacview review event before the next one. mistakes wont be emotional anymore and lessons will be applicable to the next mission. PPS: you did very well, mate, you survived quite long and you've been overall reliable with the exception of the flight falling apart which btw was the case in most lone wolf flights. I'll find a way to adress that too, maybe some extra training for lone wolf flights.

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Great feedback, much appreciated IronMike.

Definitely lost some SA with the pushed CAP, and being killed by Moskva definitely supports your memory. Sadly I could not review in TacView as I was missing from the ACMI (I had a client crash before takeoff and I suspect rejoining the server is the cause). I should have made waypoint 2 visible in my radar.

Also yes, our flight fell apart right after take-off due to me not coordinating properly. We then rejoined and got to a fairly solid racetrack CAP over 5/6, and then when we were engaged by red we lost 3 Mirages in about a minute or two (Onyx and Terence both took one red with them) leaving me the only survivor by luck alone.

Many many great lessons for me.
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Old 06-28-2017, 01:50 PM   #124
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Hi IronMike one thing, if it is possible, next time place only one AWACS in each side, for example in NM and feet in blue side, and KM and meters in the Red, for me was a mess receiving both systems in voice and text messages. I lost the combat SA precisely, due the height given sometimes in meters and other in feet. I received a message from AWACS telling me that the enemy was 12 far and angels 23000, and I quick turned noticing that the guy was about 20km away and almost at my same height! for me in the MIG-29 was really a mess, I prefer to calculate mentally the distances from NM to KM and feet to meters or viceversa.

I think that is precisely what you were getting there, 12nm and 23000 feet, we only had one awacs, the e-3, thus he reported in feet and miles.
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I think that is precisely what you were getting there, 12nm and 23000 feet, we only had one awacs, the e-3, thus he reported in feet and miles.
Watch the video below minute 27:20, you will notice both AWACS messages in russian and english, AWACS (Darkstar) reporting in feet and NM and AWACS(1) reporting in russian in meters and KM. I can tell you was a real mess in the middle of the combat!


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Old 06-29-2017, 09:03 AM   #126
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Watch the video below minute 27:20, you will notice both AWACS messages in russian and english, AWACS (Darkstar) reporting in feet and NM and AWACS(1) reporting in russian in meters and KM. I can tell you was a real mess in the middle of the combat!


Well, now you have me completely lost mate, because that is the awacs on red side. the a50. and I am pretty sure you didnt get red awacs msgs on blue... why red awacs would report as darkstar is beyond me though

on blue there was only one awacs, e3. but the game handles awacs badly, as a50 and f15s dont pair well and neither do e3 and flankers. if you got mixed msgs that is because awacs radio is, well, not optimal. the only thing I can change there is not to have awacs at all.
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Old 06-29-2017, 03:22 PM   #127
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Yeah, was a headache for me to receive both messages at the same time, so I was looking in the onlines videos to see if only happened to me or I was driving crazy! , and there you are, was in both sides! ahh another thing, the message was sent to the proper BOR number in both cases, mine was 902.

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Well, now you have me completely lost mate, because that is the awacs on red side. the a50. and I am pretty sure you didnt get red awacs msgs on blue... why red awacs would report as darkstar is beyond me though

on blue there was only one awacs, e3. but the game handles awacs badly, as a50 and f15s dont pair well and neither do e3 and flankers. if you got mixed msgs that is because awacs radio is, well, not optimal. the only thing I can change there is not to have awacs at all.
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Old 07-02-2017, 05:23 PM   #128
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yeah well, since this was kind of a "real red flag", lol, both AWACS considered you as friendly and helped
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:27 PM   #129
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Gents,

Any timelapse video of the tacview?

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