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Old 10-27-2019, 08:00 PM   #1
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Default R-77 Usefulness?

Seeing as the only two currently flyable aircraft in DCS that can use the Adder (the MiG-29S and the J-11A) can only launch it in STT mode, meaning the target gets launch warnings (no soft lock TWS option like in F-15C), and there isn't a countdown timer to missile pitbull (so they just keep target locked until confirmed impact or miss), is it much better than the R-27ER?
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Old 10-27-2019, 08:03 PM   #2
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You can launch it in TWS mode. The MiG-29S can even launch 2 R-77 in TWS against 2 targets.
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Old 10-27-2019, 09:59 PM   #3
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Hmm...Will try this. Do the enemies react prematurely? Does the AI do this?
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:10 PM   #4
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If you know you will waste a missile to make them defensive take lighter less draggy R-77. I can’t tell you how many times someone ran away out of missile range, I fire an R-77 at them, the missile warning makes them think they are in R-27ER envelope and they turn to notch, which closes the range enough to get them with R-77/73
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:20 AM   #5
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Okay, so say you're in an F-15C (or any aircraft, it really doesn't matter), and you're enemy (be he a J-11A or MiG-29S) fires an R-27ER at its Rmax (maximum) range. Then, another time, he fires an R-77 at ITS Rmax range. Ignoring the range difference, which is more capable (harder to dodge)? Now, say you launch each at the R-77's range (say about 35 kilometers), which is harder to avoid now?
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:13 AM   #6
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At max range both are quite easy. At 35km the ER will probably be superior but not by much.
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:16 AM   #7
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Okay, thanks. To put it another way, it's already well known that the R-27ER has a decent range advantage over the R-77. Given that the MiG-29S and J-11A treat both missiles like SARH, even though the -77 is ARH, is there any reason to carry Adders instead of Alamo-Cs?
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:27 AM   #8
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R-77 has advanced proportional navigation, R-27 does not. To me that means it does better against a maneuvering target(ignoring range difference.) it also means you get more range per pound of weight carried and unit of drag.
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:33 AM   #9
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R77 is the better weapon in the pre-merge. Fire it in someone's face inside of ~7km and they will have a hard time dodging it. You will be able to turn away immediately unlike the R27ER. It should turn better than the ER at this range as well.
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:39 AM   #10
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TWS ain't meant to be used against a fighter or any target that can maneuver.
It is meant to situations where targets are high altitude strategic bombers, spy planes or anything can't react out turn fast, like a cruise missiles. And that in situations where you need to maximize big target numbers in short interception window, like a bombers or cruise missiles in your reach, before they fly past the missile range.

The DCS doesn't simulate TWS correctly nor missiles even, making them far too effective, capable and accurate.

Even a modern fighter can guide 2 or 4 of R-27ER simultaneously on each individual target, but you will radically lower changes to hit targets if those maneuver.

And our FC3 aircrafts are not having features they should have, rendering their capable tactics and methods unusable or non-existing.

If you want to find out how DCS works, get a free (1 month) TacView and analyze your miss performance and behavior with it. You will learn quickly many things how to use them better in DCS.
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