Wishlist for potential planes after JF-17

On 7/8/2022 at 2:09 AM, Nyaruko said:

Q-5 can drops "狂飙一号" hydrogen bomb,That's enough of a reason for me to buy the Q-5.

J-7G also good,much better dogfighter than MiG-21Bis,With better radar and missiles.it is definitely different from MiG-21Bis.

I would pay so much for a J-7G lol

If I'm going to spend 60+ USD on a module I would prefer something that isn't just a 90% copy of some Soviet jet, which means off this list I would prefer either J-8 or Q-5

I really hope they do a su-30mkk, or j-10.

Tbh I just hope they are successful. Deka out here doing the platinum standard but never really got the recognition they deserve for it because the jf-17 is relatively unknown.

On 8/14/2022 at 6:40 PM, Dr_Pavelheer said:

If I'm going to spend 60+ USD on a module I would prefer something that isn't just a 90% copy of some Soviet jet, which means off this list I would prefer either J-8 or Q-5

I wouldn't mind either of those two, but I feel like J-7G is as Chinese as you can get. Su-30MKK and J-10 would sell like no tomorrow though.

8 hours ago, Baltic Dude said:

I wouldn't mind either of those two, but I feel like J-7G is as Chinese as you can get. Su-30MKK and J-10 would sell like no tomorrow though.

I’m not sure how well the J-10 would sell, I feel like (apart from the hardcore DCS guys that buy every module) only the really dedicated RedFor guys would buy it.  A lot of people don’t pay much mind to RedFor planes and would likely see it as just another red light fighter like the Jf-17.  If they didn’t care about the Jf-17 I doubt they would care about the J-10.  It’s a problem thats hard to overcome since the majority of the DCS community live in the West and are innately biased towards the planes that their country flies.  I can’t convince any of my buddies to get the Jf-17 to fly with me, the reasoning several of them gave me was “I have no connection to that plane”.  No chance these guys would buy the J-10 either.

Its also a hard sale on the more casual/frugal players who already own the Jf-17; what does the J-10 bring to the table that the Jf-17 doesn’t already have?  IRST on the B model I suppose, but that seems like a stretch to get documentation on for proper implementation.  This is why I regret getting the F-16 when I already owned the F/A-18 and JF-17, there aren’t enough capabilities the F-16 has that the other planes don’t have to justify the price tag.  I basically paid $70 for wingtip AMRAAMs and off-boresight ARM functionality.  Now if it was the J-10 naval variant (assuming they are carrier capable, I can’t find much info on them), I could see it selling really well; Red guys don’t have any FF carrier aircraft.

Su-30 would definitely draw everyones attention though, the Flanker is THE BlueFor adversary, legendary in the West. There’s also only one other FF heavy fighter in the game right now, and said heavy fighter is rather antiquated compared to the Su-30MKK.  Even the hardcore Blue guys would buy this.

1 hour ago, Coole28 said:

I’m not sure how well the J-10 would sell, I feel like (apart from the hardcore DCS guys that buy every module) only the really dedicated RedFor guys would buy it.  A lot of people don’t pay much mind to RedFor planes and would likely see it as just another red light fighter like the Jf-17.  If they didn’t care about the Jf-17 I doubt they would care about the J-10.  It’s a problem thats hard to overcome since the majority of the DCS community live in the West and are innately biased towards the planes that their country flies.  I can’t convince any of my buddies to get the Jf-17 to fly with me, the reasoning several of them gave me was “I have no connection to that plane”.  No chance these guys would buy the J-10 either.

Its also a hard sale on the more casual/frugal players who already own the Jf-17; what does the J-10 bring to the table that the Jf-17 doesn’t already have?  IRST on the B model I suppose, but that seems like a stretch to get documentation on for proper implementation.  This is why I regret getting the F-16 when I already owned the F/A-18 and JF-17, there aren’t enough capabilities the F-16 has that the other planes don’t have to justify the price tag.  I basically paid $70 for wingtip AMRAAMs and off-boresight ARM functionality.  Now if it was the J-10 naval variant (assuming they are carrier capable, I can’t find much info on them), I could see it selling really well; Red guys don’t have any FF carrier aircraft.

Su-30 would definitely draw everyones attention though, the Flanker is THE BlueFor adversary, legendary in the West. There’s also only one other FF heavy fighter in the game right now, and said heavy fighter is rather antiquated compared to the Su-30MKK.  Even the hardcore Blue guys would buy this.

I don't think a naval variant of the J-10 ever really saw any use. I think it would sell well personally but everyone's different. J-15 would also sell well if one day China could replace them

16 minutes ago, Baltic Dude said:

I don't think a naval variant of the J-10 ever really saw any use. I think it would sell well personally but everyone's different. J-15 would also sell well if one day China could replace them

J-15 would be awesome, I would absolutely by that module in a heartbeat.  Multirole flanker AND carrier ops?  Don’t think I would fly any other module again save for an F-14D which isn’t going to happen.

2 hours ago, Coole28 said:

J-15 would be awesome, I would absolutely by that module in a heartbeat.  Multirole flanker AND carrier ops?  Don’t think I would fly any other module again save for an F-14D which isn’t going to happen.

You know Su-33 exists right? Lol. But I understand, "it's not full-fidelity."
It doesn't stop me.

Su-33 is lo-fi, can carry only dumb bombs and has no ARH missiles.

Imagine Flanker with SD-10s, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that on an airquake server, not only it would accelerate better than JF-17 but also could carry lots of missiles, with half decent radar it would be the most dangerous aircraft in BVR until the release of Typhoon, even without Meteors.

16 minutes ago, Baltic Dude said:

You know Su-33 exists right? Lol. But I understand, "it's not full-fidelity."
It doesn't stop me.

I’m a ground pounder first, air superiority second kind of guy.  The lack of a CCRP solution or guided munitions in the -33 really leaves me at the mercy of whatever air defence system is lurking in the TA.  Although whenever I am feeling particularly naughty I’ll take the -33 for a spin and do some IRST stealth hunting.  It never gets old ramming an R-27ET up the tailpipe of an F-16 that never knew it was I was there to begin with.

4 hours ago, Dr_Pavelheer said:

Su-33 is lo-fi, can carry only dumb bombs and has no ARH missiles.

Imagine Flanker with SD-10s, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that on an airquake server, not only it would accelerate better than JF-17 but also could carry lots of missiles, with half decent radar it would be the most dangerous aircraft in BVR until the release of Typhoon, even without Meteors.

I agree it would be nice to have more modules that are able to carry Chinese missiles and weapons.

2022/8/18 PM11点23分，Coole28说：

I’m not sure how well the J-10 would sell, I feel like (apart from the hardcore DCS guys that buy every module) only the really dedicated RedFor guys would buy it.  A lot of people don’t pay much mind to RedFor planes and would likely see it as just another red light fighter like the Jf-17.  If they didn’t care about the Jf-17 I doubt they would care about the J-10.  It’s a problem thats hard to overcome since the majority of the DCS community live in the West and are innately biased towards the planes that their country flies.  I can’t convince any of my buddies to get the Jf-17 to fly with me, the reasoning several of them gave me was “I have no connection to that plane”.  No chance these guys would buy the J-10 either.

Its also a hard sale on the more casual/frugal players who already own the Jf-17; what does the J-10 bring to the table that the Jf-17 doesn’t already have?  IRST on the B model I suppose, but that seems like a stretch to get documentation on for proper implementation.  This is why I regret getting the F-16 when I already owned the F/A-18 and JF-17, there aren’t enough capabilities the F-16 has that the other planes don’t have to justify the price tag.  I basically paid $70 for wingtip AMRAAMs and off-boresight ARM functionality.  Now if it was the J-10 naval variant (assuming they are carrier capable, I can’t find much info on them), I could see it selling really well; Red guys don’t have any FF carrier aircraft.

Su-30 would definitely draw everyones attention though, the Flanker is THE BlueFor adversary, legendary in the West. There’s also only one other FF heavy fighter in the game right now, and said heavy fighter is rather antiquated compared to the Su-30MKK.  Even the hardcore Blue guys would buy this.

I think the pleasure of DCS is studying.Unknown plane give me more pleasure than plane that I know already.I prefer to fly planes from several different countries(I own M-2000,JF-17,F-14,MiG-21,AV-8 and AJS 37) rather than USA only.So if they added a iconic Chinese plane,I would love to try it.But,If they added J-7M or older plane,I would consider about it due to i own MiG-21 already.

I would propose JH-7,Q-5D or J-8F.These are China design instead of USSR.J-10 may be too advanced,I doubt they can make it accurate.

2022/8/15 AM10点40分，Dr_Pavelheer说：

If I'm going to spend 60+ USD on a module I would prefer something that isn't just a 90% copy of some Soviet jet, which means off this list I would prefer either J-8 or Q-5

Agree.For remembrance of 81192 I prefer J-8F,If nuclear weapons are not allowed.

I would definitely have no problem with neither an at least semi advanced Flanker, nor with a J-7G. In fact the latter is my preferred module to come from Deka by far. J-8 is meh for me personally. Q-5, JH-7 would also be great. J-10 isn't my first choice, but it would at least be something interesting.

With all that said, if we sift them through the filter of likelihood of happening, Flankers were sadly still no go last time Deka said anything about them, despite them making a tech demo of sorts with it. J-10 seems way too new as well. If anything, China may still consider things like JH-7 to be no-go. So among the things I like/want J-7G and Q-5 may be the most likely to happen. But that doesn't mean they'll happen either of course.

6小时前，WinterH说：

I would definitely have no problem with neither an at least semi advanced Flanker, nor with a J-7G. In fact the latter is my preferred module to come from Deka by far. J-8 is meh for me personally. Q-5, JH-7 would also be great. J-10 isn't my first choice, but it would at least be something interesting.

With all that said, if we sift them through the filter of likelihood of happening, Flankers were sadly still no go last time Deka said anything about them, despite them making a tech demo of sorts with it. J-10 seems way too new as well. If anything, China may still consider things like JH-7 to be no-go. So among the things I like/want J-7G and Q-5 may be the most likely to happen. But that doesn't mean they'll happen either of course.

I would love JH-7.Can do both Q-5 and J-7's jobs,Can carry various missiles like PL-8 and PL-12(SD-10),Also carries AShM and AGM.

Though flight performance seems weaker,She's missiles and radar are better than J-7,As an A2A player,I have no problem with JH-7.

1 hour ago, Nyaruko said:

Can do both Q-5 and J-7's jobs

Not necessarily, I'd prefer a late J-7 myself, literally the most unique, and arguably the peak of MiG-21 lineage with double delta wings, high lift devices, a semi useful radar, single piece windshield, and an overall decent canopy for visibility.

JH-7 is very cool as well, but it wouldn't provide any of the J-7 experience, and is an attack specialist, which is great too, but neither of the two would replace the other in DCS imo. And I say this as a mostly A/G player. Thanks to modern missiles it can arguably even be better in air to air, but it'd do so in the most boring way possible

1小时前，WinterH说：

Not necessarily, I'd prefer a late J-7 myself, literally the most unique, and arguably the peak of MiG-21 lineage with double delta wings, high lift devices, a semi useful radar, single piece windshield, and an overall decent canopy for visibility.

JH-7 is very cool as well, but it wouldn't provide any of the J-7 experience, and is an attack specialist, which is great too, but neither of the two would replace the other in DCS imo. And I say this as a mostly A/G player. Thanks to modern missiles it can arguably even be better in air to air, but it'd do so in the most boring way possible

J-7G is the most maneuverable MiG-21 of course,She's energy retention much better than MiG-21Bis.But its limitations make she not as versatile as the JH-7,Such as lacking BVR missile and AGM/AShM.
As a 70% A/A player, whichever one of those planes comes out, I will happy to enjoy.

I selected all. I'd prefer to see them working on the J-8 and Q-5 first 

On 8/18/2022 at 2:27 PM, Dr_Pavelheer said:

Su-33 is lo-fi, can carry only dumb bombs and has no ARH missiles.

Imagine Flanker with SD-10s, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that on an airquake server, not only it would accelerate better than JF-17 but also could carry lots of missiles, with half decent radar it would be the most dangerous aircraft in BVR until the release of Typhoon, even without Meteors.

The jf-17 has a pretty good radar. One of the better ones in the game.

On 8/18/2022 at 5:23 PM, Coole28 said:

I’m not sure how well the J-10 would sell, I feel like (apart from the hardcore DCS guys that buy every module) only the really dedicated RedFor guys would buy it.  A lot of people don’t pay much mind to RedFor planes and would likely see it as just another red light fighter like the Jf-17.  If they didn’t care about the Jf-17 I doubt they would care about the J-10.  It’s a problem thats hard to overcome since the majority of the DCS community live in the West and are innately biased towards the planes that their country flies.  I can’t convince any of my buddies to get the Jf-17 to fly with me, the reasoning several of them gave me was “I have no connection to that plane”.  No chance these guys would buy the J-10 either.

Its also a hard sale on the more casual/frugal players who already own the Jf-17; what does the J-10 bring to the table that the Jf-17 doesn’t already have?  IRST on the B model I suppose, but that seems like a stretch to get documentation on for proper implementation.  This is why I regret getting the F-16 when I already owned the F/A-18 and JF-17, there aren’t enough capabilities the F-16 has that the other planes don’t have to justify the price tag.  I basically paid $70 for wingtip AMRAAMs and off-boresight ARM functionality.  Now if it was the J-10 naval variant (assuming they are carrier capable, I can’t find much info on them), I could see it selling really well; Red guys don’t have any FF carrier aircraft.

Su-30 would definitely draw everyones attention though, the Flanker is THE BlueFor adversary, legendary in the West. There’s also only one other FF heavy fighter in the game right now, and said heavy fighter is rather antiquated compared to the Su-30MKK.  Even the hardcore Blue guys would buy this.

As an outside viewer of this (I am not very often here in this forum section, wasn't here for a year), I think you are completely right.

I don't own the JF-17 and I have no plans on changing it, so let me take myself as perfect example.
I am already that kinda guy, that almost buys every module, almost. But I am also one of those that has no connection to the Jeff. (And the MiG-21)

So with that in mind, I have to say, I would buy a Su-30MKK, because of the reasons Coole stated. 
Maybe a J-10 would be tempting, I have a close work relationship with the Typhoon and in my teenage time we always "played" F-22 vs EF-2000 vs J-10,
(although it makes little sense, but we didn't care and had no clue back then), but the EF is coming as well and I'd rather fight the J-10 than fly it.
I just think it looks cool and that is a big thing for me personal, I usually don't buy stuff that I don't like the look of, and the other way round.

A question to the guys that are more familiar within the eastern region, isn't there some kind of MiG-29 relative that could be doable?
That would be a big seller. People would use it as stand in for many countries that used the -29.

It's sad to admit, I like very specific & niche aircraft as well, but as a first project for a new 3rd party it really makes sense to model something that sells well.
I think it really is a booster for the team, money wise and in terms of morale. But to me it seems the Jeff wasn't this, I don't know details though.

It's just that I don't hear a lot from Deka and speculation is going on for some time now, isn't it?

6 часов назад, Bananabrai сказал:

A question to the guys that are more familiar within the eastern region, isn't there some kind of MiG-29 relative that could be doable?

That would be a big seller. People would use it as stand in for many countries that used the -29.

There are only two alternatives, and we have both in DCS already. The RuAF top brass figured that whatever edge the Fulcrum had in a dogfight isn't worth the payload of the Flanker, and the more power the subsequent generations of engines produced the more that edge diminished, especially with the advent of TVC. That's why you have a whole line-up of Flanker models and what, three flavours of Fulcrum (the A, the S and MiG-35 that never made it to serial production, plus the carrier versions). So yes, our only option is ED going through with the full-fidelity 9.12 seeing how it's not in any sort of active service with RuAF aside from some birds still flying in Hazzard County ANG somewhere.

On 8/19/2022 at 1:23 AM, Coole28 said:

I’m not sure how well the J-10 would sell, I feel like (apart from the hardcore DCS guys that buy every module) only the really dedicated RedFor guys would buy it.  A lot of people don’t pay much mind to RedFor planes and would likely see it as just another red light fighter like the Jf-17.   It’s a problem thats hard to overcome since the majority of the DCS community live in the West and are innately biased towards the planes that their country flies.  I can’t convince any of my buddies to get the Jf-17 to fly with me, the reasoning several of them gave me was “I have no connection to that plane”.  

Yes, you are right, only the really dedicated RedFor guys would, but have you taken time to research on how many of those dedicated people are there? I don't think you seem the big picture. I have met many friends in the wests who only fly RedFor planes. The Chinese community is also growing larger and larging, and most of them prefer Eastern planes. Take a few minutes a day and trying to log into a Chinese server and you will see how much population they got in there. Not to mention Chinese groups which live in west like me.  It is just a matter of the limitation of social circle. When you are so in love with the western planes, obviously you would have an tendency to socialise with people who share the similar interests with you. And gradully, you would believe that most people only fly western planes, because everyday all you see are the people in your circle. That is the same case with me. I am also surrounded by people who loves Eastern planes and frankly most of them are from west. I also found few Chinese groups who also prefer western planes. If you like, I can introduce them to you if you have a discord. I also know a few mid-East friends who came as refuges, and they are very familarised with the F-16 and F-18, because they have spend their entire childhoods being bombed by them on weekly bases. Good luck trying to convince their groupies to fly western planes. So, it is just a matter of social circle.

I don’t really care much for red but I love J-10. Would also just be generally great for east Asia. Though failing that I at least hope the AI J-10 comes out sometime.

On 2/3/2023 at 12:48 PM, PLAAF said:

Yes, you are right, only the really dedicated RedFor guys would, but have you taken time to research on how many of those dedicated people are there? I don't think you seem the big picture. I have met many friends in the wests who only fly RedFor planes. The Chinese community is also growing larger and larging, and most of them prefer Eastern planes. Take a few minutes a day and trying to log into a Chinese server and you will see how much population they got in there. Not to mention Chinese groups which live in west like me.  It is just a matter of the limitation of social circle. When you are so in love with the western planes, obviously you would have an tendency to socialise with people who share the similar interests with you. And gradully, you would believe that most people only fly western planes, because everyday all you see are the people in your circle. That is the same case with me. I am also surrounded by people who loves Eastern planes and frankly most of them are from west. I also found few Chinese groups who also prefer western planes. If you like, I can introduce them to you if you have a discord. I also know a few mid-East friends who came as refuges, and they are very familarised with the F-16 and F-18, because they have spend their entire childhoods being bombed by them on weekly bases. Good luck trying to convince their groupies to fly western planes. So, it is just a matter of social circle.

 

I wish Devs didnt always have to make modules (even red ones) based on what ignorant bluefor fans would buy.

EDIT: I also happen to be a die-hard redfor fan from the west who would like something red gen 4 no matter how obscure and stuff like the J-10 are iconic in these circles similar to what a blufor fan may think of F-16.

On another note though, now that J-10As are all being upgraded to J-10AG with AESA radar etc maybe we have a chance for earlier batch J-10A.

Q-5 looks cool. Would really like some more redfor ground attack platforms. My dream would be a full fidelity su-25 but I know that is a challenge.