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Old 11-15-2019, 01:27 PM   #21
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Or the nerds around here can quit nitpicking and accept that plus or minus a few percent is close enough.,,-Yes, the fact of the matter is that it’s possible here we get not plus or minus a few percent, but a completely different plane in terms of sensations and application. Well, if the percentage difference seems to be with f-15, then let's compare it with a high-altitude interceptor.
Look, there are Mig-31 high-altitude interceptors. It has a thrust-weight ratio with a maximum take-off mass of 0.66, a climb rate of 160 m / s to 11 km, and after supersonic speed of 250 m / s. The mirage has a thrust-to-weight ratio with a maximum take-off weight of 0.57, rate of climb of 284 m / s. The Mig-31 has a cruising speed, subsonic 950 km / h, supersonic
2500 km / h, maximum 3400. The mirage has a cruising of 885 km / h, maximum 2500 km / h. Mig-31 at 2500km / h can fly 720 km, and how much can a mirage fly 2000 km / h? From the reviews of battles in Satal, it can be seen that the mirage can climb 12 km, accelerate in 4-5 minutes from 860 km / h to 2000 km / h and fly like this for 10-12 minutes. What is it that he will fly at 2000 km / h somewhere around 400 km.
Is such a good engine and aerodynamics of a mirage that allows it to fly like that? If so then take off my hat to the creators of this aircraft)
but usually a mirage fight looks like this, a climb of 12 km takes 3-4 minutes, acceleration from 860 km / h to 2000 km / h in 4-5 minutes, a fight at a speed of 2000 km / h 7 minutes, a fight at low altitudes 5 minutes, and return home.
On MiG-29 for example can be achieve with 950km/with until 2000km/untangle for 3 minutes and fly so 4 minutes, and all fuels 0. On f-15,16,18 not know not probyval. Can from whom there is data.according to the fuel consumption depending on the height and speed of the Mirage 2000?
I'm not sure to understand totally your point, but here are some few comments:
- using MTOW to compare thrust to weight ratio with the Mirage for AA means nothing
Ramp weight with full AA load is 12797kg in game.
- yes, in this configuration the Mirage will easily reach FL360 and even FL400 as fuel burn.
- cruise speed doesn't means as much either. With AA or AG load the Mirage can sustain M0.95 or close at high altitude.
- former Mirage 2000N/ D weapon system officer reported me that with 2000kg of remaining fuel and empty wing tanks they would cruise home at FL500 @ M0.95 to save fuel.
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Old 11-15-2019, 03:00 PM   #22
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Thank you, but you don’t know what distance a real mirage will fly at a speed of 1.6 max? at an altitude of 12 km? and what engine speeds will be? Is there any table on the mirage, fuel consumption from heights and speed)?
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Thank you, but you don’t know what distance a real mirage will fly at a speed of 1.6 max? at an altitude of 12 km? and what engine speeds will be? Is there any table on the mirage, fuel consumption from heights and speed)?
Unfortunately, no, I don't have this, and you won't find this from open source.
We'll need to trust Razbam on that.

But the point is that the Mirage is light fighter, in AA the Mirage 2000C has a light load (4 missiles compared to 8 to 10 on F-15: Flanker), low wing loading thanks to delta wing, and the M53 engine was designed for high altitude & high speed.

So it's pretty good at high altitude.

A MiG-29 Fulcrum A (9.12) has about the same internal fuel as Mirage 2000C but with 2 engines. Better thrust to weight ratio but you have to expect lower endurance.
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we will trust well) I was interested in high-altitude combat on a mirage. A very good result for such speed and altitude, you can conduct a full-fledged high-altitude battle and return home. Well done engineers.
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Old 11-17-2019, 11:05 AM   #25
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The fuel consomption has been modified with the last update. It is no more possible to fly full throttle + PC during 30min and do M2.2 at 52000ft with fuel flow at 110kg/min.
Now at high altitude with PGPC, the fuel flow is progressively augmenting with speed, which seems more credible.
Good Job RAZBAM
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