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Old 01-10-2019, 10:54 AM   #1
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Default F-14's agility

I was surprised by how tight Tomcat can turn. For such a massive fighter, it can practically turn on a dime. Feels like much more agile than F-18c.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:20 AM   #2
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The way you write that, is as though you’ve flown it. Have you?
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:31 AM   #3
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No fly-by-wire limit... try override G-limit with the F18 , she also turn very quickly.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:59 AM   #4
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Weight/size means little in the physics of the turn.

It's what lift you can generate to counter the weight you have, and after that what thrust you can generate to replace the energy lost to drag produced by generating the lift.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:56 PM   #5
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The way you write that, is as though you’ve flown it. Have you?
He's most likely referring to the turn rate demonstrated in MagzTv's Youtube video, which is an impressive turn rate.
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:22 PM   #6
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Weight/size means little in the physics of the turn.

It's what lift you can generate to counter the weight you have, and after that what thrust you can generate to replace the energy lost to drag produced by generating the lift.

I would say weight is a big factor in how quickly you can turn. You know the formula F=ma. You're going to have to produce a force in order to turn and that force is greatly dependent on your weight.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:02 PM   #7
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Yes. Tell me, what do you think Lift is exactly?
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:32 PM   #8
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Yes. Tell me, what do you think Lift is exactly?

I'm saying, with equal lift a heavier aircraft is going to be more difficult to turn.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:48 PM   #9
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Wing loading is the term you're looking for, it's the ratio of weight to lifting surface. The Tomcat is heavy but its lifting surfaces are huge.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:59 PM   #10
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I'm saying, with equal lift a heavier aircraft is going to be more difficult to turn.
Yes. If you reference two identical airframes but with differing weights then this is true.

However, for two different planes pulling the same G, even if plane X is 20% heavier than plane Y but plane X can generate 25% more lift, then, depending on power loading, then X will outturn Y.
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