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Old 01-12-2019, 05:27 PM   #491
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I started studying NATOPS as soon as I got my assignment, about six months before showing up for the RAG. So instead of pretending to “take legal action”, and jumping up and down and whining like a bunch of land lubbing USAF pilots, grab a NATOPS manual and start studying. You have tons to learn, and there will be a test before you are allowed to fly.

Better learn the Departure Bold Face, and also the innocuous sounding Landing Checklist, which starts with “WINGS- 20 Auto” if you want to live. That’s what you use mirrors for, to make sure the wings are moving when you hit AUTO.

You will all lose the aircraft on downwind because you didn’t get the wings out in the break.

Every single one of you...

Get busy.

Biggest problem I have with the Aerosoft Tomcat is that it doesn't have an auto sweep bind. I have to manually set it back to auto at the break (aka full forward), and there's a significant delay for it to go into position. Sometimes that's even lead to the wings being in bomb position at the beginning of downwind, which turns into a giant mess. Is this real Tomcat behavior, or just one of the quirks of the plane in FSX?
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:07 PM   #492
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The wings are manually swept aft for the break maneuver. This looks better, allows for closer/easier formation, and pragmatically, helps the delta winged aircraft decelerate quickly.

In the break maneuver, as the aircraft decelerates to 280KIAS, the pilot clicks the wings into the AUTO mode, and they immediately move forward towards 22 degrees due to the low airspeed/Mach state. The RIO would call "Wings Moving", and the pilot would also glance in the mirrors to confirm (that's what mirrors are good for, and making sure that the RIO isn't sleeping or G-Locked).

The wings had Automatic, Bomb, Electric FWD or AFT using a four position throttle switch, and a full Manual mode using the handle itself. The physical handle was also used to put the wings into oversweep, which required that the handle be held up for something like 15-20 for pins to drive into position to prevent the horizontal stabs from conflicting with the wings. This was not fun while taxiing/disarming on the ship.

So for the break, the pilot would give a single to wingmen to move the wings to full aft, head nod to execute, and the wings would be moved aft using the switch on the inside of the throttle quadrant. The break will be executed, and at 280 KIAS, the pilot simply clicks the switch UP into AUTO. The wing sweep indicator reflects this, and the wing command bars and actual wing position tape all move. The pilot checks the indicator, hears the RIO's call, and checks the mirrors for final confirmation. You will still foul it up at least twice.

I am sure that Heatblur, being Heatblur, have modeled all of this.

There is a pitch change with wing sweep as well, but it isn't particularly noticeable under G. It is during level flight, as the center of lift changes location.

The wing sweep rate also varied with the G load. The automatic sweep position also varied between aircraft due to CADC variances, making the F14 a crummy formation aircraft. When we wanted to do formation aerobatics, we put the wings in Bomb to keep them from moving. If velocity exceeded the Bomb mode max speed, then the wings would switch back to the auto mode. Pretty nifty system that worked well.

Now you know more about wing sweep than you ever wanted to know.

Have you got the Landing Checklist and Spin Recovery Procedures memorized yet? I still do, even after a quarter of a century...

Get after it.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:10 PM   #493
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I`m sure everyone will get distracted with the Soon™ to be released MiG-19 for a while, until the Tomcat is on deck.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:47 PM   #494
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The wings are manually swept aft for the break maneuver. This looks better, allows for closer/easier formation, and pragmatically, helps the delta winged aircraft decelerate quickly.

In the break maneuver, as the aircraft decelerates to 280KIAS, the pilot clicks the wings into the AUTO mode, and they immediately move forward towards 22 degrees due to the low airspeed/Mach state. The RIO would call "Wings Moving", and the pilot would also glance in the mirrors to confirm (that's what mirrors are good for, and making sure that the RIO isn't sleeping or G-Locked).

The wings had Automatic, Bomb, Electric FWD or AFT using a four position throttle switch, and a full Manual mode using the handle itself. The physical handle was also used to put the wings into oversweep, which required that the handle be held up for something like 15-20 for pins to drive into position to prevent the horizontal stabs from conflicting with the wings. This was not fun while taxiing/disarming on the ship.

So for the break, the pilot would give a single to wingmen to move the wings to full aft, head nod to execute, and the wings would be moved aft using the switch on the inside of the throttle quadrant. The break will be executed, and at 280 KIAS, the pilot simply clicks the switch UP into AUTO. The wing sweep indicator reflects this, and the wing command bars and actual wing position tape all move. The pilot checks the indicator, hears the RIO's call, and checks the mirrors for final confirmation. You will still foul it up at least twice.

I am sure that Heatblur, being Heatblur, have modeled all of this.

There is a pitch change with wing sweep as well, but it isn't particularly noticeable under G. It is during level flight, as the center of lift changes location.

The wing sweep rate also varied with the G load. The automatic sweep position also varied between aircraft due to CADC variances, making the F14 a crummy formation aircraft. When we wanted to do formation aerobatics, we put the wings in Bomb to keep them from moving. If velocity exceeded the Bomb mode max speed, then the wings would switch back to the auto mode. Pretty nifty system that worked well.

Now you know more about wing sweep than you ever wanted to know.

Have you got the Landing Checklist and Spin Recovery Procedures memorized yet? I still do, even after a quarter of a century...

Get after it.

Okay. Aerosoft's Tomcat doesn't always respond right to what I'm trying to do, and not everything is modeled due to sim limitations. My approach and break is right, but a lot of the time the wings just...don't cooperate. I'm looking forward to being able to instantly select bomb or auto, and not worry about having to count clicks on the sweep button.



I have the landing checklist down, and have worked on spin recovery. I'm kind of worried that everything I'm learning that doesn't involve flipping switches or following procedures is going to be lost when I try what I've used in FSX in DCS.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:20 AM   #495
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Biggest problem I have with the Aerosoft Tomcat is that it doesn't have an auto sweep bind. I have to manually set it back to auto at the break (aka full forward), and there's a significant delay for it to go into position. Sometimes that's even lead to the wings being in bomb position at the beginning of downwind, which turns into a giant mess. Is this real Tomcat behavior, or just one of the quirks of the plane in FSX?
The Aerosoft F-14X does have an auto-sweep bind. Do you use FSUIPC?
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:41 AM   #496
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The Aerosoft F-14X does have an auto-sweep bind. Do you use FSUIPC?

Uhhh
Yes.


(not as much as I should, apparently)
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:46 AM   #497
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Now you know more about wing sweep than you ever wanted to know.
Not so!


I would never have guessed that the F-14 was a bad formation aircraft. In fact, I was never even aware that there was such a thing. If I'm struggling with formations, then I'd probably have simply assumed it was because I sucked at it.


Also yes, I am reading the NATOPS manual. Reading it very carefully.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:56 AM   #498
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If it just wasn't so hard to read. That thin serif font makes reading it extremely exhausing. No problems with the Hornet's NATOPS which has a decent font face instead... first world problems
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If it just wasn't so hard to read. That thin serif font makes reading it extremely exhausing. No problems with the Hornet's NATOPS which has a decent font face instead... first world problems
I'll admit that, while interesting, it's presented in a pretty dry manner, but I tell myself it's for a good cause.

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Old 01-13-2019, 04:45 PM   #500
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The only thing that they can't show for now is the back seat even though it's functional
You probably already know this, but you can see the back seat of the F-14 in HB's video "Jester AI behind the scenes".
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