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Old 01-10-2019, 08:55 PM   #11
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There's a few threads going over how agile it actually is.

Here's one with some interesting charts overlaying the F-15 and F-16 over the F14's turns:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=144469

tl;dr:
F-14 out turns the F-15 by a decent margin below M0.7 and above M1.2, and isn't far behind in the middle.
F-16 beats both in general, however the F-14 does actually beat it in ITR at slower speeds (~M0.4) under certain conditions, but only just.

Bearing in mind that graph for the F-14 is against the operational 6.5g limit, if you ignore it, it can do get some brutal ITR, but as recently demo'd by Magz you'll probably break the plane if you really push it.

There's also lots of info scattered in this thread, if you fancy an evening's read:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=140030

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Old 01-10-2019, 10:32 PM   #12
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Yes. If you reference two identical airframes but with differing weights then this is true.

However, for two different planes pulling the same G, even if plane X is 20% heavier than plane Y but plane X can generate 25% more lift, then, depending on power loading, then X will outturn Y.

So the following quote is not true. Weight is significant in "the physics of the turn".



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Weight/size means little in the physics of the turn.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:08 AM   #13
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Whatever; the point is that simply estimating a planes potential agility referencing it's weight alone and using F=ma as an example is erroneous.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:38 PM   #14
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The main disadvantage to more weight is inertia that needs to be overcome. E.g. Doing an aileron roll in the Tomcat, will require that you counter the roll sooner to roll level, that an F-16 would. Something people keep forgetting when they see large fighters such as the F-14, F-15 and Su-27, is their wing loading.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:47 PM   #15
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I was surprised by how tight Tomcat can turn. For such a massive fighter, it can practically turn on a dime. Feels like much more agile than F-18c.
It's not that the F-14 is more agile, it would be better to say that the F-14 isn't incapable.


Hold it in it's optimum speed and AOA envelope, and the Tomcat will do everything you want it to do. That includes out turning people.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:09 AM   #16
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Doing an aileron roll in the Tomcat.
The Tomcat doesn't have aileron's.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:32 AM   #17
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If you can generate the lift, you can make a supertanker turn as tight.

When comparing aircraft, the lower the wing loading, the better the turning ability.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:33 AM   #18
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The main disadvantage to more weight is inertia that needs to be overcome. E.g. Doing an aileron roll in the Tomcat, will require that you counter the roll sooner to roll level, that an F-16 would. Something people keep forgetting when they see large fighters such as the F-14, F-15 and Su-27, is their wing loading.
Bigger planes also have bigger control surfaces though. Not saying you're wrong as a rule, just that it's not the whole story.
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