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Old 10-10-2018, 11:35 PM   #1
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Hey guys. I'm just looking for some tips and tricks to help me be more consistent with my Case I pattern, specifically when holding the five-mile circuit. I can never seem to be able to hold the proper distances. Are there any tips anyone can give me, such as angle of bank, or visual cues?


I understand that things like angle of bank may change because the carrier is moving, but I'm just looking for some ballpark figures to help me get a little better. Thanks!!
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:41 AM   #2
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Doesn't need to be perfect Jetguy06

Keep generally a bank of 25 degrees at 250kts when in the five-mile circuit.

Use your carrier TACAN station and set the scale to 10 so you can see how far way you are in the HUD. I also have the HSI up on the left DDI, just a preference of mine tho so I can see where I'm at and close to the correct positioning etc.

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Old 10-11-2018, 01:50 AM   #3
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Hey guys. I'm just looking for some tips and tricks to help me be more consistent with my Case I pattern, specifically when holding the five-mile circuit. I can never seem to be able to hold the proper distances. Are there any tips anyone can give me, such as angle of bank, or visual cues?


I understand that things like angle of bank may change because the carrier is moving, but I'm just looking for some ballpark figures to help me get a little better. Thanks!!

Have you seen Lex Talionis youtube videos? He has three of them up there. He was an F18 driver in the Navy. He gives out really useful information.


Jabbers video on Case 1 landing is also great.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:31 AM   #4
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I find 30 degrees at 320 knots gives me a 5 mile diameter turn. So does 23 degrees at 250 knots. For me, the secret is to use the autopilot alt and bank hold and ATC to do a perfect turn.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:21 AM   #5
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To get setup, you could put a ship 5 miles out. Least you got something to aim at when you figuring out your bank angles.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:16 PM   #6
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even easier, just setup your TACAN for the ship, then your HUD will give a range reading under the altitude that represents your distance from the carrier. That way you can practice 5Nm diameter circles from any direction from the carrier
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:35 AM   #7
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The P-816 says within 5nm. It does not have to be an exact 5nm circle, and you don't have to fly directly over the carrier either: IRL video of CASE I shows the pilot flying over the starboard side, which makes sense considering the whole ballet is supposed to be zip-lip, visually monitoring deck conditions. You can't see the deck if you fly right over it.
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The P-816 says within 5nm. It does not have to be an exact 5nm circle, and you don't have to fly directly over the carrier either: IRL video of CASE I shows the pilot flying over the starboard side, which makes sense considering the whole ballet is supposed to be zip-lip, visually monitoring deck conditions. You can't see the deck if you fly right over it.
Good point here, this is not precision flying at this stage. Also the way I understand it the ship is at 1 o'clock not 3 which seems to flow better than trying to hit it as if it were supposed to be at 3.
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:34 PM   #9
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Nealius nailed it: stay within 5nm, and fly just starboard of the ship to be able to look down at the deck. During normal cyclic ops, if you're the guy breaking the deck from 2K, you should be monitoring how many jets are coming off the front end so you know when to commence.
Everyone else in the stack then sets their timing off of their respective interval. Since it's zip-lip and all visual, it is very much a game of "just make it work" and as long as you're at the correct altitude and within 5nm, you can do what you have to.
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