DmitriKozlowsky Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Makes no sense that belly rails cannot hold Air-Air missiles in M2KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHeN Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 noted! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 If you actually knew a thing or two about the things you are talking about you will find that it makes perfect sense :doh: ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Makes no sense that belly rails cannot hold Air-Air missiles in M2KC. You should address that complain to Dassault then... Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitriKozlowsky Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 Actually I meant belly side rails, not center rail, which is for fuel tank. Yes I know about plumbing and electrics , G-limits, weight limits, NATO standards, and locks, to make weapon station compatible with particular weapon. But on M2KC , side-belly stations, should be able to carry air-air NATO missiles. Just as outer stations should be have IRIS-T and AIM-9 series available. Here is an illustration from a high quality high fidelity model kit. Shows Mica on belly-side(or chin) stations. In DCS we have Mirage 2000-5, an old AI only. Perhaps its because RAZBAM does not have MICA-IR or MICA-R missile specs. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=wcIE7R9H&id=6B7089035384862305BF55B59D4E242B07013DF7&thid=OIP.wcIE7R9HtpK0IPEnZFCNsgHaEu&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-Gxkg73aKzkk%2fW2ozXYUExHI%2fAAAAAAACZ9w%2fMfvLOa0dE903JJa_21qyQRBOUoxjoP5UACLcBGAs%2fs1600%2fKittyhawk%252BMirage%252B2000%252B%2525281%252529.jpg&exph=1020&expw=1600&q=Mirage+2000C&simid=607996399321942645&ck=089870D74FA31274744EADB7D6D3A42C&selectedIndex=46&ajaxhist=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 You do realise, though, that that is a painting, right? Perhaps the Chinese model manufacturer's illustrator just didn't care so much for internal differences between a 2000C and a 2000-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngreenaway Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Makes no sense that belly rails cannot hold Air-Air missiles in M2KC. Can you find documentation that shows that they can on the -C model? Or are you merely speculating? What i found ( https://www.airvectors.net/avmir2k.html )states: Primary armaments of the Mirage 2000C in the interceptor role were the Matra Super 530 medium-range semi-active radar-guided air to air missile (AAM) on on the inboard wing pylons, and the Matra Magic short-range infrared-seeking AAM on the outboard wing pylons. The Mirage 2000C could also carry air-to-ground stores, such as iron bombs, cluster bombs, or Matra 68-millimeter rocket pods, in its secondary strike role. It had no smart munitions capability, though it could carry laser-guided bombs (LGBs) if another aircraft or ground forces provide designation. If there was an advantage to loading up AA missiles on all hardpoints, or on the belly ones, i cant see the military arbitrarily passing that up. While it doesn't make sense from where youre sitting, there could be a reason for it , such as (&im only speculating here) lack of a compatible data connection between the fighter and missile on those pylons or other incompatibilities [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] DCS: The most expensive free game you'll ever play Modules: All of them System: I9-9900k, ROG Maximus , 32gb ram, RTX2070 Founder's Edition, t16000,hotas, pedals & cougar MFD, HP Reverb 1.2, HTC VIVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Actually I meant belly side rails, not center rail, which is for fuel tank. Yes I know about plumbing and electrics , G-limits, weight limits, NATO standards, and locks, to make weapon station compatible with particular weapon. But on M2KC , side-belly stations, should be able to carry air-air NATO missiles. Just as outer stations should be have IRIS-T and AIM-9 series available. Here is an illustration from a high quality high fidelity model kit. Shows Mica on belly-side(or chin) stations. In DCS we have Mirage 2000-5, an old AI only. Perhaps its because RAZBAM does not have MICA-IR or MICA-R missile specs. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=wcIE7R9H&id=6B7089035384862305BF55B59D4E242B07013DF7&thid=OIP.wcIE7R9HtpK0IPEnZFCNsgHaEu&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-Gxkg73aKzkk%2fW2ozXYUExHI%2fAAAAAAACZ9w%2fMfvLOa0dE903JJa_21qyQRBOUoxjoP5UACLcBGAs%2fs1600%2fKittyhawk%252BMirage%252B2000%252B%2525281%252529.jpg&exph=1020&expw=1600&q=Mirage+2000C&simid=607996399321942645&ck=089870D74FA31274744EADB7D6D3A42C&selectedIndex=46&ajaxhist=0 The old AI model (made by Eagle Dynamics) has been there for a very, very long time. Even before Razbam started develop for DCS :) Razbam has specifically modelled the Mirage 2000C NOT the modern 2000-5 that can carry MICA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 You do realise, though, that that is a painting, right? Perhaps the Chinese model manufacturer's illustrator just didn't care so much for internal differences between a 2000C and a 2000-5. This is pretty standard practice for scaled model makers. They put in the same box the options to make various variants of the same aircraft. So the box is labeled "Mirage 2000C" and the painting on the box is an early Mirage 2000-5F in test with CEAM of Mont de Marsan, squadron 05/ 330 at the time (today 01/ 30). And that painting is bad since it isn't the same number on the tail and on the nose gear door... Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Makes no sense that belly rails cannot hold Air-Air missiles in M2KC. Many things don't make sense, like why can't aircraft simply carry all weapons and all pods on all pylons and all stations. But then person learns the engineering limitations in weapons, aircraft and overall computers and designs. Like already very confusing thing is that why does people believe that single fighter would be going to a air combat in full missile load, alone and expect to get any kills? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeck Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Well, obviously there is a reason Dassault didn’t do it other than: “woah...didn’t think about that!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinder Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Actually I meant belly side rails, not center rail, which is for fuel tank. Yes I know about plumbing and electrics , G-limits, weight limits, NATO standards, and locks, to make weapon station compatible with particular weapon. But on M2KC , side-belly stations, should be able to carry air-air NATO missiles. Just as outer stations should be have IRIS-T and AIM-9 series available. Here is an illustration from a high quality high fidelity model kit. Shows Mica on belly-side(or chin) stations. In DCS we have Mirage 2000-5, an old AI only. Perhaps its because RAZBAM does not have MICA-IR or MICA-R missile specs. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=wcIE7R9H&id=6B7089035384862305BF55B59D4E242B07013DF7&thid=OIP.wcIE7R9HtpK0IPEnZFCNsgHaEu&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-Gxkg73aKzkk%2fW2ozXYUExHI%2fAAAAAAACZ9w%2fMfvLOa0dE903JJa_21qyQRBOUoxjoP5UACLcBGAs%2fs1600%2fKittyhawk%252BMirage%252B2000%252B%2525281%252529.jpg&exph=1020&expw=1600&q=Mirage+2000C&simid=607996399321942645&ck=089870D74FA31274744EADB7D6D3A42C&selectedIndex=46&ajaxhist=0 This model wrongly labels an AdLA Mirage 2000-5 for a C, the side belly pylons aren't integrated on the C and as far as I know, the MICA isn't integrated either. https://ec25iledefrance.com/ Win 11Pro. Corsair RM1000X PSU. ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS [WI-FI], AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D, Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB GDDR6. 32 GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series (4 x 8GB) RAM Cl14 DDR4 3600. Thrustmaster HOTAS WARTHOG Thrustmaster. TWCS Throttle. PICO 4 256GB. WARNING: Message from AMD: Windows Automatic Update may have replaced their driver by one of their own. Check your drivers. M-2000C. Mirage F1. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. F-5E Tiger II. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Fly like a Maineyak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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