Mongyman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) If i shot SD-10 from JF-17 using TWS mode and Hornet is the target, he even gets hard-lock missile warning. F-16 same issue. I try this with friends many times from 40 - 45 nm, so missile dont go pitbull. I dont try another missile. Edited August 27, 2020 by uboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) If i shot SD-10 from JF-17 using TWS mode and Hornet is the target, he even gets hard-lock missile warning. F-16 same issue. I try this with friends many times from 40 - 45 nm, so missile dont go pitbull. I dont try another missile. yes that was a surprise from 3 days ago i did a training with some one for BVR and he keep asking do u launch in TWS cuz i know that u just launched SD-10 . maybe that is related to what WAGS said in mini F-16 update ( Corrected RWR power ) Edited August 1, 2020 by Chiron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) I have already reported this issue, But beta team is not getting on this case. I guess this has something to do with SD-10, And Eagle dynamic itself. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281158 Edited August 2, 2020 by AliPG [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 i dont know why this issue appeared but somehow the moment i launch in TWS F-16 got a msl warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4440440&postcount=43 Corrected RWR power not sure whether it's related, at least our radar emitter signal type mail code has not been changed. try 17 vs 17? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4440440&postcount=43 not sure whether it's related, at least our radar emitter signal type mail code has not been changed. try 17 vs 17? copy i will do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4440440&postcount=43 not sure whether it's related, at least our radar emitter signal type mail code has not been changed. try 17 vs 17? What about hornet he is talking about, SD-10 is surely broken or something [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) What about hornet he is talking about, SD-10 is surely broken or something do you know rwr <-> radar tws interactions? it deals nothing with sd-10. we haven't change any radar signal mail code for a long time, if now things changed, should be something changed by ED and not tell us. if only hornet/viper get such issue, while other module not, please report to ED to check viper/hornet. regarding sd-10, all seeker issue is out of our control. Report to ED to fix the seeker. Like 120 can have 180 degree turn to track target. Edited August 4, 2020 by uboats [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 do you know rwr <-> radar tws interactions? it deals nothing with sd-10. we haven't change any radar signal mail code for a long time, if now things changed, should be something changed by ED and not tell us. if only hornet/viper get such issue, while other module not, please report to ED to check viper/hornet. regarding sd-10, all seeker issue is out of our control. Report to ED to fix the seeker. Like 120 can have 180 degree turn to track target. but in your profile ( ED tester / ED moderator ) i think u will be effective more than us cuz i think ED dont hear us anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) but in your profile ( ED tester / ED moderator ) i think u will be effective more than us cuz i think ED dont hear us anymore tested, it's issue for hornet/viper, all fc3 has no rwr warning when bugged by tws ed already knows the rwr power issue as stated in viper mini update (same for hornet) Edited August 4, 2020 by uboats [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) do you know rwr <-> radar tws interactions? it deals nothing with sd-10. we haven't change any radar signal mail code for a long time, if now things changed, should be something changed by ED and not tell us. if only hornet/viper get such issue, while other module not, please report to ED to check viper/hornet. regarding sd-10, all seeker issue is out of our control. Report to ED to fix the seeker. Like 120 can have 180 degree turn to track target. I'm afraid i have already reported this seeker problem on ED weapon's issue thread, But no one coming on this case to fix the issue. Edited August 11, 2020 by AliPG [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0op8ack Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 It’s the radar signals which cause rwr screams. Missile in mid-course will not trigger any rwr warning until seeker active in end game. We checked radar code, test shoot in cycles of rws-> sam -> dtt -> stt and tws -> hpt -> dtt -> stt radar signals are correctly sent in these submodes. We are waiting for feed back from tester team, see what's happening in radar when shooting at all kinds of target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 L0op8ack / uboats thx for the respond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Guys any update on this issue? Cause i have reported to ED but no update from ED very far, Also it is becoming annoying in tactical ground when you need precise engagements, you know what i mean on competitive ground (SATAL) I believe this issue must be resolved ASAP with quick fix or something cause it is major bug, Can you guys, with your reference ask ED to fix this issue, It will be very appreciated thanks for respond [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Guys any update on this issue? Cause i have reported to ED but no update from ED very far, Also it is becoming annoying in tactical ground when you need precise engagements, you know what i mean on competitive ground (SATAL) I believe this issue must be resolved ASAP with quick fix or something cause it is major bug, Can you guys, with your reference ask ED to fix this issue, It will be very appreciated thanks for respond u can wait for 19/8 next OP Batch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 And other then being an ED issue, depends if anyone has reproduced it Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 it's hornet and viper rwr issue. not sure whether ed fixed them or not [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinky.ben Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) I did a lot of test with this tonight. It’s only F-18 and F-16. And they only pickup SD-10 as soon as it’s fired. Edited August 14, 2020 by Blinky.ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0op8ack Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I did a lot of test with this tonight. It’s only F-18 and F-16. And they only pickup SD-10 as soon as it’s fired. thanks for report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witness_me Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) tested, it's issue for hornet/viper, all fc3 has no rwr warning when bugged by tws ed already knows the rwr power issue as stated in viper mini update (same for hornet) i would expect rwr warnings for a tws track too though, unless i misunderstood what you're saying? the rwr should produce warnings when it detects emr - it should produce a tone if it's tracked using tws (e.g. square or sine-ish waveform), a tracking warning if the aircraft is continuously illuminated, a missile launch if it picks up the radar signalling to an amraam datalink etc Edited August 14, 2020 by witness_me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 i would expect rwr warnings for a tws track too though, unless i misunderstood what you're saying? the rwr should produce warnings when it detects emr - it should produce a tone if it's tracked using tws (e.g. square or sine-ish waveform), a tracking warning if the aircraft is continuously illuminated, a missile launch if it picks up the radar signalling to an amraam datalink etc i mean lock warning, tws should not give lock warning. but hornet/viper rwr gives lock warning by tws tracking [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 i mean lock warning, tws should not give lock warning. but hornet/viper rwr gives lock warning by tws tracking you mean Launch Warning, [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinky.ben Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) i would expect rwr warnings for a tws track too though, unless i misunderstood what you're saying? the rwr should produce warnings when it detects emr - it should produce a tone if it's tracked using tws (e.g. square or sine-ish waveform), a tracking warning if the aircraft is continuously illuminated, a missile launch if it picks up the radar signalling to an amraam datalink etc Yes but you can’t pickup a missile fired in TWS until the last 10nm or so when the missile starts emitting it’s own pulse. But in this case the F-18 and F-16 You get a missile launch warning as soon as it has been fired even tho it’s 60nm away, but ONLY for the SD-10 so they can start defending 60miles away. I did a lot of testing and it always picked up a SD-10 launch up to 59nm away. Which is just completely wrong. But it is really really weird that this is a precise bug that only affects F-18 and F-16. No other aircraft pick it up until Pitbull which is about 10nm away. If it was RWR issue then they would pickup all missiles as soon as launched but they don’t only SD-10, if it was SD-10 bug then ALL aircraft would pickup SD-10 as soon as it has been launched but no other aircraft does. If this was the other way around ED would have had a hotfix our the next day. Edited August 14, 2020 by Blinky.ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 :smilewink: If this was the other way around ED would have had a hotfix our the next day. What gets me is only just hearing this after the current patch being live for a long time. Who knows when this behavior started, maybe online people have just thought there were stealth Jeff’s firing really close. But no we heard this from PTF, a squadron that operates many types including JF-17 together. I am glad I have not spent so much time online the past few months, but if I had I would really Be wondering about the honor of some of my opppments, if they were aware they could know every TWS launch. Ali has been letting us know for a while but I almost didn’t think it could happen, that someone would tell us and not just be omnipotent during BVR Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 you mean Launch Warning, ........... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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