no news on other WW2 addons?

Well, we have keep in mind that they want to stay in business. And no company can stay in business depending on the few hard-core sim-fans, who are likely to buy the product anyway, even if it is not fully their "hardcore" style. To attract more consumers they have to compete with all kinds of entertainment products for the consumers spare-time. If the average consumer has only limited spare-time he will choose most likely the entertainment, which is easiest to access. But 777 and ED must get the consumer to spent their time on their product, to establish a relationship with their brand and to keep them buying their product, even though they might not necessarily need it. They cannot ignore entertainment products like World of Tanks, Warplanes of Thunder (or whatever it is called), even Mario Carts or SitComsTV to a certain degree...

They can´t stay in business selling their product only to some old simulation fans, who grew up, with simulations and now are getting old and caught by real-life demands, but always demanding more "realism, more immersion, more and more" for the same money, just because it seems technically possible. I think that`s why ED also shifted their attention back to games like FC3 and CA, which are easier accessible for the casual gamer, with thousands of things competing to entertain him. ;)

It's pretty frustrating . The old il2 brand has been teamed up with 777 studios to make a new ww2 combat sim. Cliffs of Dover has been abandoned. The new il2 team have made clear theirs wil be a lite combat is with no clickable cockpits. Back in the day I would have been into this but dcs p-51 has ruined me. I now need full switch and don't think I will be able to go backwards.

same here...just came back after holidays to read that their next project would even less realistic than CLOD while having the word "hardcoresim" in the same sentence:doh:

my hope was that they would go the different path, and try to get more realism and accurance into it....but anyway, now that i own the mustang and the a10, i cant even go back to CLOD....it just doesnt do it for me, when i know exactly that its not a sim but only an arcade first person shooter...

all my hope now is only, that DCS will continue to deliver planes with such accuracy and details like they did before...i will buy every single one as long as they are as realistic as the A10 or the mustang....

sure,.....coming from IL2, and beeing a member of a LW squad, i dream would come true if they would model a 109 or 190....i know about 50people personally who would click the buy button the second it would be available...

They don´t need 50 guys buying it, but more likely some 50.000 to break even and then they could think about how to get a few %s in return... and the % return is all that matters.

They don´t need 50 guys buying it, but more likely some 50.000 to break even and then they could think about how to get a few %s in return... and the % return is all that matters.

really?waoh!thats something new to me...i thought 50 would be enough..:doh::)

a 109 or 190 with such a grade of detail like the mustang would probably sell way more copies than 50 000...at least i think so.

My money's still on a full-blown late-WW2 CFS module for DCS happening at some point. Just remember those B17 and Biffer screencaps and youtube appearances! But then I'm admittedly an incurable optimist ;)

I agree, I still feel a fully functioning cockpit, click-able switches, buttons and levers is more "sim" than without. I just feel so much more immersed when I have to look around the cockpit and click on what I need, the next will be a touch screen... short of building your own cockpit, its the better experience than everything being done from a controller or keyboard. Another things is that its out there now, going back would be a step backwards

Agreed with your entire post; I just wanted to make the distinction. Devil's advocate, you see ...

6 1/2 years and no other thoughts on this ?

the P40 does not interest me unless I am

reading about George Welsh, but the Corsair

F4U is a personal favorite. F4 Phantom too !

I agree, I still feel a fully functioning cockpit, click-able switches, buttons and levers is more "sim" than without. I just feel so much more immersed when I have to look around the cockpit and click on what I need, the next will be a touch screen... short of building your own cockpit, its the better experience than everything being done from a controller or keyboard. Another things is that its out there now, going back would be a step backwards, imagine if the next plane from ED was released with everything the A-10 has now except click-able cockpit...

That's funny... from my understanding that's exactly what ED is going to do based on your comment that you posted a few days ago regarding the new FC modules. No?

 

[...Another things is that its out there now, going back would be a step backwards...]

I always said that. And I still believe that's the case, especially considering everything ED has achieved throughout the years. Although I understand the marketing reason behind it.

Not gonna lie, this is a very old post. But it's interesting to see the past and see how things are nowadays.

Yet here we are with a flagship release of a F/A-18C Hornet, even in its current state, probably more rounded than anything we have ever seen in the simulation world.

 

As has been stated, the Flaming Cliffs line is a good entry level into the sim, having to pay attention to all corners of the community you find many people that are scared to get into DCS. Worried about the learning curve, the huge manual.

 

Now take FC4, the discussion is taking fully modeled aircraft and giving a lo-fidelity option. So no I dont see that way of doing this as a step backwards, I see it as broadening the user base. If ED were to switch to all FC aircraft, then sure. Even FC level aircraft, with PFM are still above and beyond anything else out there. Now they are going to give people a way to step in gently and then move up to high fidelity when they are ready if they so choose.

 

With WWII fighters, and any other aircraft that has limited information on it, either lost to history or locked away, I say bring it on. But what sets ED apart from all those others is they have the hi-fidelity options, the study aspect. Even the WWII birds adds a whole other level to learning, flying and fighting in those aircraft. So sure, I would accept a FC level aircraft, but not at the cost of fully modeled versions as well. I have called for a version of 'Flaming Cliffs of Dover' for a long time, you could probably necro-post that quote too, but probably doesnt serve the your purpose.

 

So I hope that answers your quotes of a 6 year old post.

No no, actually your very old post got me thinking about that whole FC discussion. Quoted your post mainly because I would like to know what you were going to say.

It's a bit funny though... you were thinking about this possibility six years ago. Our opinions diverge on this. But I respect ED's decision and reasoning behind it. I know it's not for me. I got a bit afraid about it, and that's about it...

Keep in mind that when I said rip off, I didn't mean anything bad, but just a copy with a lower quality in terms of systems (That's what FC is about).

No reason to be mad at me tbh... (I still have a hard time trying to understand why you got so mad though).

We are getting the Jug D-30, not the -N