slashxer Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Hello. I have a problem with F18. It rolls to the right a little bit. I don't know what is the reason. I have full fuel, all pylons removed, no guns, no flares/chaffs. It's not a joystick problem. I have a problem only with Hornet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.J.S Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I’m not saying it is your stick, but it may be. Whenever I fly, Hornet or another AC, if you take off from ground at the start, what I tend to do is a control wipeout - before moving off, cycle your stick to its extremitys, fully all around, then your pedals if you have them, and I finish with running engines up to burner on runway. It’s good practice anyway, but just in case the sim needs to see travel limits of controllers, and centre points, it won’t hurt to do. “Other” sims suffer from this. Alien desktop PC, Intel i7-8700 CPU@3.20GHz 6 Core, Nvidia GTX 1070, 16GB RAM. TM Warthog stick and Throttles. Saitek ProFlight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cthulhu68 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 R Control+Enter brings up controls indicator overlay. See if you notice stick or rudder being slightly off center or vibrating a bit. Controllers can be very sensitive and might need a small deadzone to get rid of this. A loose connection inside flightstick can cause this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu77 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Mine was doing that but it was because the rudder pedals axis mapping reset and the left toe brake was picking up roll. right was picking up throttle, was giving me all sorts of grief until I found it. Hornet, Super Carrier, Warthog & (II), Mustang, Spitfire, Albatross, Sabre, Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, Gulf, Normandy, Syria AH-6J i9 10900K @ 5.0GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Vision G, Cooler Master ML120L, Gigabyte RTX3080 OC Gaming 10Gb, 64GB RAM, Reverb G2 @ 2480x2428, TM Warthog, Saitek pedals & throttle, DIY collective, TrackIR4, Cougar MFDs, vx3276-2k Combat Wombat's Airfield & Enroute Maps and Planning Tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSally Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Check all of your axis mappings across all of your devices....DCS has a habit of assigning the same axis to multiple devices. Edited July 28, 2020 by MustangSally Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, Trackir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironious Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 You check the tire pressure? :smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeck Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Unlikely and I’m sure the answer is no....., but make sure you aren’t carrying the Tpod on the cheek station. That gives you a gentle roll that needs to be trimmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I'm seeing this as well since a few builds (guess it started around the SC release) and I was woondering if it was an issue with my controls or even wind affecting. Then just recently I discovered it does never happen on a hot start, all fine there. If I cold start a Hornet and fly it with no stores, it always tends to roll to the right and I have to counter trim it, and retrim it for every speed or AoA change as if I had asymmetrical stores on it - if I start it hot on ramp or runway, the thing stays perfectly level. There's definately some kind of issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid509 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 if you are using duel throttles with both left and right ensigns mapped you could have one of them ever so slightly higher than the other causing unwanted yaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 if you are using duel throttles with both left and right ensigns mapped you could have one of them ever so slightly higher than the other causing unwanted yaw I noticed the issue with my throttles while back. (Warthog) Left throttle was always tiny bit behind the right one, even when locked together. I changed the curve on the left one so both motors were at equal thrust at both stops. Works good so far. I never lock them together. Check your EFEI to see if there's any difference. I was told by someone that the minor difference in thrust between the motors in the Hornet shouldn't produce that much asymmetric thrust. The motors are really close together and it's pretty much a centerline thrust. Well, check your EFEI if you don't see any other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashxer Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 On fcs page everything is fine. I always use ctrl+enter and everything is centered. I have rudder, roll and pitch mapped only to my stick - t16000m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashxer Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 I attached track of my test flight. It clearly shows the problem :)test.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) I took control of your track at two points and flew the mission. The first I took control at the beginning and did not contact the ground crew to remove the pylons from the aircraft. After takeoff and gaining some altitude, there is no noticeable right roll effect. The aircraft flies true. I then replayed your track and took control after you'd taken off, and you had contacted the ground crew to remove the pylons. Without pylons and a completely clean aircraft, there is a very slight right roll. You can counter it with a single left trim click but it's not entirely neutral as you then get a much more mild left roll. Conclusion: A clean F-18 (without pylons) has a slight right roll. An F-18 with pylons does not. I don't know if this is accurately modeled only ED can answer that. Edited July 28, 2020 by FoxTwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashxer Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 It's possible but I'm sure it was not rolling before last update (before 2.5 release). I noticed that after update. According to your advice with trim - one left click makes it rolling left for me :/ It seems that I need to fly with pylons :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) So I did some additional testing... this is most confusing. No pylons - roll right Center pylon only - roll right Inner pylons only - roll left (wtf?) Outer pylons only - roll right Inner and outer pylons (no center) - a very, very minute left roll All pylons - level flight Realistically I don't think anyone aside from a blue angels pilot is going to be able to tell you if the actual F-18 rolls when there are no pylons on the plane. Edited July 28, 2020 by FoxTwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashxer Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Yeah, it's sad. At least it doesn't roll that hard and it's still flyable. I was worried if that's only my problem with F18. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I've just tested this in my mission. Yep, you guys are right. It rolls right with no pylons. No roll with all pylons loaded. Report it Slashxer in the bugs forum. Someone should look into it or explain it if there is a valid reason for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 F-18 rolls right without pylons Not sure if this is a bug but I'm putting it here as I did some testing based on another post in the general F-18 forum... The F-18 behaves differently based on how many pylons are on the aircraft. My limited testing has it doing this: No pylons - rolls right Center pylon only - rolls right Inner pylons only - rolls left Outer pylons only - rolls right Inner and outer pylons (no center) - small left roll All pylons - level flight There's a trackfile in the original post that shows the roll effect with no pylons. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4436329&postcount=12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSally Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Yep, same here....another bug!!!! Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, Trackir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Why did the even model pylon removal? I get the visual aspect for the Blue Angels, but why the FM changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_auau Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 to check if its your stick is to remove it from your pc if it still rolls than its another issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt10k Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Strange. All pylon removed, banks to right. Outer pylons removed, banks to left. And yes, only with keyboard. Asus X99 Deluxe II|Intel i7 6850K @4.2GHz|G.Skill 64GB Trident Z DDR4 3200MHz|Noctua NH-D15 and 4x NF-A14 PWM|Corsair HX850i Win10 Pro 64 @M.2 512GB 950 PRO|DCS @M.2 250GB 960 EVO ASUS GTX 1070 STRIX OC 8GB GDDR5|ASUS PG348Q - LG 25UM58 @3440x2520 Corsair Strafe RGB MX Silent|TM Hotas Warthog 7.5cm ext & 3x MFD Cougars|MFG Crosswind|TrackIR 5 A-10C|AJS-37|AV-8B|BS2|F/A-18C|FC3|Mi-8MTV2|PG NE NO SY maps|Tacview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Thoughts? Comments? Uncommanded rolling without pylons (or with only some pylons) seems like it shouldn't be happening. The F-16 doesn't have this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) Remove Pylon #2: No bank. Remove Pylon #3: Right Bank Remove Pylon #5 center: Slight left bank. Remove Pylon #7: No bank. Remove Pylon #8: Left bank. Remove Pylon #3 + 8 Right bank. Remove Pylon #2 + 7: No bankPylon bug.zipPylon 2_7.trkPylon 3_8.trk Edited August 6, 2020 by Svend_Dellepude [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 More data! https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4446178&postcount=22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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