Enemy Aircraft on SADL

I have a mission with an AWACS in it and several friendly aircraft (7 in total). All Blue friendly units show up on the SADL.

However, NO enemy aircraft even though they are identified by the AWACS are showing up, anyone else having this problem?

Whilst on topic manual also states Hostile Air Defence Forces should show on SADL, anyone getting these also?

Not sure but i think it's not implemented.

Ok thanks, can't see it on the beta5 list either so stil WIP I guess.

Indeed, as Sobek said this feature of the SADL is still to be implemented. It may or may not make it into A-10C for release, all depends if the devs can find enough time in the day as with many other things.

I just need to know when to run away bravely when the enemy CAP comes looking for me.

At the moment they can find me in valleys when I'm not even line of sight. They must have a radar that can see through mountains !

Ok thanks, can't see it on the beta5 list either so stil WIP I guess.

Does someone have a Beta5 list? If so, can someone post it please?

Same deal with the air defenses, it is all on p. 313 of the manual.

Does someone have a Beta5 list? If so, can someone post it please?

Matt posted a a preliminary list of changes for beta 5 in the announcements forum. Clicky click.

Yeah, and it's not there.

Perhaps AWACS is not compatible, but what about other friendly A/C with radar? They should be broadcasting their data including hostile A/C. After all, it's in the manual:

Hostile Aircraft. Hostile aircraft are indicated as red triangles with flight vector lines. The aircraft‘s altitude is below the icon in thousands of feet.

Perhaps AWACS is not compatible, but what about other friendly A/C with radar? They should be broadcasting their data including hostile A/C.

In all probability the same reasoning would find applicability, but let's wait and see what andreevm says.

After all, it's in the manual

I'm sure I do not have to say this, but just because it's in the manual.........;)

Perhaps AWACS is not compatible, but what about other friendly A/C with radar? They should be broadcasting their data including hostile A/C. After all, it's in the manual:

It still requires the Link 16 system to operate.

Nate

Perhaps AWACS is not compatible, but what about other friendly A/C with radar? They should be broadcasting their data including hostile A/C. After all, it's in the manual:

Unfortunately SADL is designed for situational awareness for close air support aircraft with troops on the ground, so very few aircraft with radars would be on a SADL network (believe some F-16s may have it?). Most airborne battlefield information is broadcasted on Link 16 or Link 11. As andree said you need a gateway to put SADL data on a Link 16 network or vice versa. I don’t know how many aircraft have SADL/Link gateways but it would only be on C2 style aircraft.

Although the system does seem a little flawed in that F15 CAP etc pop up on SADL in DCS, I think people should keep in mind that the primary purpose of SADL is to provide CAS aircraft with situational awareness of ground units, and in particular ground friendly units, rather than a whole battlefield picture.

Copy that. Not as simple as it looks at first. A pity that network protocols are developed independently where possibilities for benefits from cooperation seem to exist.

SADL was developed based on the Army's Tactical Internet and EPLRS which was developed independently from Link 16. But CAS a/c bridge both worlds. It would have been very helpful if the JTRS package had included a gateway to Link 16. I want to know when the top cover, or better, AWACS spots bogies. Sure they can tell me, IF my radios are set to receive the proper freqs, but that's what the data link concept tries to solve, unify data exchange to provide a clear situational awareness picture to the pilot.

Yep all very true. I guess in this modern combat environment SA on enemy threats is not as important as SA on blue forces for CAS aircraft and therefore minimises the imeptus to ensure such information is included on their plot.

Obviously the other hindrance is that too much information sucks SA rather than improving it. Having an entire battlefield picture on your TSD would be the recipe for a helmet fire, but of course operators have filter options.

O.K well, can someone from ED explain the reason we have

"hostile air defense forces" and "hostile aircraft" on the SADL on p. 313 of the manual?

Because it's a beta manual and such references have already been removed.

Out of interest, because of a development issue or because the modelled a10c does not display hostile aircraft on the SADL?

Shame, I would have liked enemy aircraft on the SADL for increased SA especially as the AI aircraft are too damn good.

e.g. Flying 100ft agl in valley, can't hear AWACS due to terrain masking, damn SU27s found me no problem at all. God knows how as a lot of high terrain between me and them.

Out of interest, because of a development issue or because the modelled a10c does not display hostile aircraft on the SADL?

Most likely due to what andreevm said, there are no link16/SADL gateways at the moment.