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Old 08-13-2019, 06:45 PM   #21
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Maybe someone's taken the old saying to heart: "The Bundeswehr's job is to hold off the enemy until military arrives"

It's always difficult to get a complete picture when most reports come from sensationalist media outlets, but I think quite highly of Thomas Wiegold and his "Augen geradeaus!" blog. And it's not like the terrible readiness state in all branches in the German military is in any way new.

Add to that that during her run as defense minister, Ursula von der Leyen invested heavily in civil Business Consultants for the Bundeswehr. Maybe they came up with some good ideas. But whatever money they made certainly did not go into flight readiness, and we're talking double digit millions of euros per year. Let's see what AKK47 can come up with before she (presumably) upgrades to Bundeskanzler.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:14 AM   #22
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like the famous ramstein accident in germany ...... the hypotheses say that the pilots sabotaged the controls to make them die. the pilots in question were witnesses of the famous accident of ustica and they made him die in order not to testify on the incident of ustica.

from that moment on Germany did not show the tricolor arrows in German territory anymore. This thing I am sorry because it was a malicious accident for me not a casual accident .... we remember that the pilots of the tricolor arrows are professionals and come from the best academic schools.
Even the best and most professional pilots are not safe from making mistakes of their own. I've never heard of sabatoge in regards to the Rammstein accident and frankly, it sounds like some odd conspiracy theory to me. Even the famous american Blue Angels and Thunderbirds crash sometimes as happened multiple times in the past 2 years.


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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...th-jet-program

FRANCE AND GERMANY plan the new fighter then followed by SPAIN. FCAS.
While ITALY and DUTCH agrees with the UK for the new TEMPEST project.
FCAS is being discussed here as well: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=243299


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Maybe someone's taken the old saying to heart: "The Bundeswehr's job is to hold off the enemy until military arrives"

It's always difficult to get a complete picture when most reports come from sensationalist media outlets, but I think quite highly of Thomas Wiegold and his "Augen geradeaus!" blog. And it's not like the terrible readiness state in all branches in the German military is in any way new.

Add to that that during her run as defense minister, Ursula von der Leyen invested heavily in civil Business Consultants for the Bundeswehr. Maybe they came up with some good ideas. But whatever money they made certainly did not go into flight readiness, and we're talking double digit millions of euros per year. Let's see what AKK47 can come up with before she (presumably) upgrades to Bundeskanzler.
Von der Leyen and her consultants did came up with some good meassures (e.g. buying back former depots to increase the storage of spare parts), but it takes time for them to take effect.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:14 PM   #23
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Even the best and most professional pilots are not safe from making mistakes of their own. I've never heard of sabatoge in regards to the Rammstein accident and frankly, it sounds like some odd conspiracy theory to me. Even the famous american Blue Angels and Thunderbirds crash sometimes as happened multiple times in the past 2 years.



FCAS is being discussed here as well: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=243299



Von der Leyen and her consultants did came up with some good meassures (e.g. buying back former depots to increase the storage of spare parts), but it takes time for them to take effect.




Two Italian pilots, the officers Naldini and Nutarelli - later aces of the tricolor arrows dead in the implausible "accident" of Ramstein, a week before being questioned by the judge Prior on the massacre of Ustica



and a hypothesis of cover-up of the evidence on the ustica accident.
the nuttarelli plane was sabotaged.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:41 PM   #24
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Von der Leyen and her consultants did came up with some good meassures (e.g. buying back former depots to increase the storage of spare parts), but it takes time for them to take effect.
Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!

Though it didn't say that this was actually suggested by the consultants in question, but I'll give them the benefit of a doubt.

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Two Italian pilots, the officers Naldini and Nutarelli - later aces of the tricolor arrows dead in the implausible "accident" of Ramstein, a week before being questioned by the judge Prior on the massacre of Ustica
That seems to warrant its own discussion thread, as it has fairly little to do with the topic at hand.
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FRANCE AND GERMANY plan the new fighter then followed by SPAIN. FCAS.
While ITALY and DUTCH agrees with the UK for the new TEMPEST project.
And here in Belgium, once they can decide on a government we may get a decision on whether to get a Eurofighter or a F-35 to replace the F-16s

Then again they may just decide to keep the F-16
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:43 PM   #26
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The F-16 will see accelerated retirement phase after 2030. Anyone retaining their planes will see degraded support and flight readiness. That's just 10 years from now, everyone should be with new fighter tender by now.
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like the famous ramstein accident in germany ...... the hypotheses say that the pilots sabotaged the controls to make them die. the pilots in question were witnesses of the famous accident of ustica and they made him die in order not to testify on the incident of ustica.




from that moment on Germany did not show the tricolor arrows in German territory anymore. This thing I am sorry because it was a malicious accident for me not a casual accident .... we remember that the pilots of the tricolor arrows are professionals and come from the best academic schools.
There is absolutely nothing ''implausible'' about that accident. Three separate groups of aircraft passing through a tiny area at approximately the same time, if anyone is off a fraction of a second they collide. There is no evidence of 'sabotage' either, as all aircraft looked to be maneuvering just fine.

You really do like your conspiracies, though :p
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:03 AM   #28
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https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.p...ghlight=ustica

Mr. zhukov I posted the film explaining the history of ustica some time ago and the Americans are
guilty in the movie. the case of ustica today and still under investigation but the truth will never come out there who says that the French were there is who says they were Americans.


the 2 Italian f104 pilots you see in the film of ustica which are Lieutenant colonel IVO NUTARELLI and MOVIE USTICA1:37:03
Lieutenant colonel MARIO NALDINI are the witnesses who saw firsthand ....... and they were ordered not to fire on the target.


the same 2 pilots who died in the Reimstain accident don't you think it's a coincidence?
in the raimstein movie there are 2 maneuvers the first and the correct one the second and the wrong one observes that naldini has certainly
to him, the engine was sabotaged



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Guys, please create a thread about the Ramstein Conspiracy if you want to discuss it, but keep it out of this thread. It has nothing to do with the struggle of the german air force to maintain its readiness which is the topic of this thread!
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Guys, please create a thread about the Ramstein Conspiracy if you want to discuss it, but keep it out of this thread. It has nothing to do with the struggle of the german air force to maintain its readiness which is the topic of this thread!

ok ok let's close the conversation.
I wanted to make it clear to ZUKOV that he is wrong.
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