QuiGon Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Nothing has changed with our Hawk license agreement with VEAO and our relationship regarding the Hawk. We hope they will continue supporting it. If anything changes, we will make a statement regarding it going forward. Interesting, thanks! So this decision is entirely on VEAO and it's kinda weird that they inform the public before informing ED that they cease to stop all their work on DCS. :huh: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Nothing has changed with our Hawk license agreement with VEAO and our relationship regarding the Hawk. We hope they will continue supporting it. If anything changes, we will make a statement regarding it going forward. Well, this statement is a pretty clear indication that they're either not willing or they're incapable of supporting the product. A statement in this regard would be much better sooner rather than later. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment
LevelPulse Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Sorry to hear this, best of luck in the future VEAO! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Director | Team Coordinator ME-163B Project The DCS Modding Hub Discord PC Specs: Intel I7 8700k 4.7Ghz Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming Z370 Motherboard 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz Ram 500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD Link to comment
squid1 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 So anyone who paid for a module hoping for continued support and development should hopefully get some sort of compensation? The Hawk is completely unfinished and buggy. Thanks for the opportunity, I guess. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Saitek x45 Hotas Canadian! Link to comment
Manuel_108 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Well, this statement is a pretty clear indication that they're either not willing or they're incapable of supporting the product. A statement in this regard would be much better sooner rather than later. Agree. It would be very weird to leave a product of a company that no longer exists and has ceased all work on said product on the store website. Imagine someone new to DCS buys it without knowing that the developer already completey gave up on it. That would not reflect well on DCS at all. Link to comment
Magot Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Well, this statement is a pretty clear indication that they're either not willing or they're incapable of supporting the product. Yes, sounds like no support there. Have ED plan give Hawk under his wings? Link to comment
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Agree. It would be very weird to leave a product of a company that no longer exists and has ceased all work on said product on the store website. Imagine someone new to DCS buys it without knowing that the developer already completey gave up on it. That would not reflect well on DCS at all. I was just thinking of the existing customers, but this is an even bigger concern. This is an excellent point. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment
JonathanRL Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 So happy I did not buy the Hawk on the sale. I like that bird. Now, I could maybe trade my bonus points for it. Lord knows they are not worth for much else at this point in time :D Link to comment
Terzi Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yes, sounds like no support there. Have ED plan give Hawk under his wings? As Nineline mentioned, legally nothing was changed regarding to agreements. So IMO it stays as it is. If there comes a decision that ED would re-make everything from scratch without using any VEAO's work; maybe that's possible.. Something similar to blackshark 1 versus 2. [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment
muamshai Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Will Hawk stay for purchase in DCS shop anymore? This space is available for your advertisement Link to comment
bell_rj Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 As Nineline mentioned, legally nothing was changed regarding to agreements. So IMO it stays as it is. It takes two to tango. There needs to be a trading company, or at least some sort of VEAO existence for things not to change. The disappearing websites do not give me confidence that is the case. PC specs: Link to comment
Iberian Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 They should refund everyone who bought the Hawk. I actually enjoy the Hawk, and I've ran into others that enjoy it. So not everyone is interested in a refund. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment
squid1 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 it is cut and dry disingenuous to continue to sell this module without a disclaimer that the development has officially ceased. if you want to continue to sell it, you should come up with a solution take possession of the source materials and continue development in-house as a first party module. The way I see it, VEAO got their effort's worth of money by selling a buggy unfinished module to the people who already own it, and ending support at a drop of a hat. If ED wants to continue development of the hawk and sales, they should be entitled to most if not all of the profits going forward. Of course thats just my two cents. I actually enjoy the Hawk, and I've ran into others that enjoy it. So not everyone is interested in a refund. I also enjoy the hawk, but I am simply unable to get my moneys worth out of it because of the bugs that plague it. I basically only get to enjoy it in the Mach Loop or formation flight instant actions. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Saitek x45 Hotas Canadian! Link to comment
squid1 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 lol lol indeed, VEAO has done CTRL+E * 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Saitek x45 Hotas Canadian! Link to comment
Vincent90 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It appears Bluesky is dead as well -- their website is also down. They're currently continuing under "Porrima Simulations" Link to comment
Timotsuky Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Saw the post on facebook, just watch how professional is Heatblur or Razbam, you can't just take people's money and then say " sorry dcs is not for us, bye " they're thief. Link to comment
clafly Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Saw the post on facebook, just watch how professional is Heatblur or Razbam, you can't just take people's money and then say " sorry dcs is not for us, bye " they're thief. + 10000000000000000 Link to comment
Skarp Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I’m sure that if they do not support it there is a clause ED gets all their licenses. Link to comment
RED Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 The best solution would be a continuing support by ED. If they bring the Hawk to the same level with the L39 and also with multicrew, a lot of squadron would appreciate a western multicrew trainer. But the C101 will kinda fill the same role and they might have to start at zero. Link to comment
D0rmicum Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 That‘s pretty bad! Bought the Hawk during my DCS restart two weeks ago without discount! Hope someone will take over the Hawk. If it´s just discontinued I think it was the last module I bought without discount. Also interesting that this is announced on Facebook but not here were they sell / support (?) their products. Let´s see what´s next. Modules and maps: all of them :doh: Specs: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-I, Intel i7-8086K@4.9GHz, 32GB Corsair Vengance RAM, Nvidia RTX 2080 FE, 2x1 TB Samsung EVO 970 M.2, WIN10 64bit, HP Reverb Link to comment
Tread_Head57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I feel bad for the owners of the Hawk and those that paid for the P-40. Hawk owners never got their money's worth and the P-40 turned out to be vaporware at best or a scam at worst. Unfortunately, this was probably the only real option left for VEAO since their name has long been synonymous with underperformance. Link to comment
Volator Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 For the last few months it has been foreseeable it would come to this point... Not a big loss for the DCS community, I feel sorry to say. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment
Blaze13 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Nothing has changed with our Hawk license agreement with VEAO and our relationship regarding the Hawk. We hope they will continue supporting it. If anything changes, we will make a statement regarding it going forward. I hate to say this and kick the horse while its down( i do like to do that) but "We hope they will continue supporting it." there not lets be real. The last update from them was Patch DCS 2.5.2.20036 Update 8 08-01-2018 and before that was 2.5.1 04-25-2018. SO lets say they did patch every 4 months december would be the next update at the best but then this came around. It sounds like they stopped supporting it a long time ago. Link to comment
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