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Old 07-07-2018, 10:23 PM   #1
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Ive been trying to learn flying these modules with very poor results...
I purchase a cpl. While the sale is on so now just gotta figure things out, hopefully.
Ive asked some questions but seems all i ever hear is practice...i got that but theres got to be more than that. Like when i do a practice tutorial and listen to the instructor talk, its like another language with all the terminologies and such.
How did u guys start? Did you use a pen and paper(which ive filled half a notebook already) or is there a tablet app thats better for that? Which order do you think is the best way to learn things?
I guess what im pushing at is can someone give me some guidance...just seems trying to learn this with the game tutorials they jump all over and its so much so fast. Not all of us have pilot backgrounds or have played flight sims our whole life.
What order should i learn this? Is everything that the tutorials teach really needed like 5 different ways to navigate...? Are there any ideas you think i should do?
I understand i need to pratice, but are there certain steps that would help the next if doing them in a certain order...
Thanks for any help you can offer me, just seems like im spinning wheels half the time
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:29 PM   #2
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I just started with the simplier airframes - WWII stuff, F-86 ..

Got familiar with basic flight stuff and instruments.
For this I watched some YouTube tutorials and did general research on the internet.

After that I started to try a few different things like navigation, simplier weapons systems etc ..

Just do one thing at a time and dont try to learn all at once.

Start with the basic stuff and continue from there on.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:59 PM   #3
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I am fairly new as well and was overwhelmed too. Using Lwin + Home keys to start the plane was a big help. Then I just studied the different systems one by one. I started with the F-5E first as it was a simpler plane than the Mirage and Harrier that I bought. Break it down into bite-sized pieces is the best way.

First I just wanted to take off successfully. Then I wanted to employ guns and shoot something down, so I made a mission where I hunt a transport plane (with labels on). Then it was radar... Then bombing... Then turning off labels... Then radio... Navigation, etc..

Making my own missions in the mission editor is very useful now as I practice using the RWR, coutermeasures and SEAD.

Little steps add up. Now I fly online a bit.

Have fun and ask questions!
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:06 PM   #4
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Ive been trying to learn flying these modules with very poor results...
I purchase a cpl. While the sale is on so now just gotta figure things out, hopefully.

Hello,


I went through the same phase when starting DCS: my first module was the A-10C purchased on a sale ... I couldnt even finish reading the whole 670 pages of the manual, I put DCS aside, until I opted to first learn the Su-25T completely.


The piloting basics are the same as in every other aircraft, but the interface is much simpler and so much easier to learn and actually spend the time flying rather than flicking switches during 10 minutes just to start ther aircraft.


Once you actually learn to fly the Su-25T and use her weapons, you will have the basic knowledge to fly other aircrafts and learn them system by system while still being able to do the basic flying much more easily than you do now.


This tutorial helped me a lot with the Su-25T, it explains well the principles of flight behind the procedures and also teaches the basics of the typical weapons:


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...yHOWp4_nAOPdwJ


When learning a new plane, I follow this path:


- Assign on the control settings of DCS the Axis of the HOTAS that I use, so that I can at the very least control pitch, roll, rudder and throttle.


- Use a free flight mission to just fly the aircraft until I can get to know how it responds to the stick ... practice making level turns (those where you dont loose or gain altitude while turning), practice climbs and descents at a constant rate.


- Use the free flight mission to assign HOTAS buttons as you need them, start with the trim controls, airbrake, flaps and landing gear


- Only at this point, do the training missions one by one, repeat those that seem difficult to you, like the landing, until you can do them with no trouble.


- Finally, learn the systems (navigation, communication, sensors) one by one, using the Manual as a guide and also any YouTube tutorial that you like.


- Last, learn the Weapons, one by one, using the same aproach as with the systems.


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Old 07-08-2018, 12:46 AM   #5
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Ive been trying to learn flying these modules with very poor results...
I purchase a cpl. While the sale is on so now just gotta figure things out, hopefully.
Ive asked some questions but seems all i ever hear is practice...i got that but theres got to be more than that. Like when i do a practice tutorial and listen to the instructor talk, its like another language with all the terminologies and such.
How did u guys start? Did you use a pen and paper(which ive filled half a notebook already) or is there a tablet app thats better for that? Which order do you think is the best way to learn things?
I guess what im pushing at is can someone give me some guidance...just seems trying to learn this with the game tutorials they jump all over and its so much so fast. Not all of us have pilot backgrounds or have played flight sims our whole life.
What order should i learn this? Is everything that the tutorials teach really needed like 5 different ways to navigate...? Are there any ideas you think i should do?
I understand i need to pratice, but are there certain steps that would help the next if doing them in a certain order...
Thanks for any help you can offer me, just seems like im spinning wheels half the time



I been flying flight sims a long time but I can see how overwhelming it can be. So, there are trainer planes which are simpler. But even for A10 or FA18, you can first learn to fly w/o having to worry about all the weapons systems. So doing the Free flight missions help quite a bit.


Two things you should check out


Charley Owl's manuals (just google for it) are very helpful. If you are the type that like the read first, it's a must. Even if not, you should read his tutorials.



Also, I would highly recommending watching Bunyap Sims' On The Range series.


https://www.youtube.com/user/4023446...view=1&sort=dd


(Go all the way to the bottom for the On The Range series) Again, these are for getting familiar with A10's weapons systems.





Gerry Abbott is another youtube channel that you should look at.


And the flight basics for A10 can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC90...5PN_urMRz65NyA
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Agreed with hansangb.

Don't try to deal with weapons, just learn to fly. Many years ago, with the A-10C, I spent weeks just learning to land it well. Don't try to be a warrior at the outset, just try to be a pilot.
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Dave73,
You mention you have several modules, I say pick one and concentrate on it. Everyone learns different, what works for you? Memorization? Practice? Flash cards?

Also consider, what is your goal? Is it to fly online and fight with friends or is it to learn a specific thing?

What is causing the biggest problems? Terminology?

How much experience do you have if any on aircraft? I ask because maybe you do not to learn what a roll is or a flap.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:12 AM   #8
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I would recommend joining an online wing, one, which has a training program. You'll learn alot quicker, if you have an instructor with you. Just being able to voicechat with people with questions makes it all go alot faster, than posting on forums, and waiting for answers.

I've always been able to land stuff easily in FSX and other sims, but never understood tactics and how to deal with targets and do real operations and communications before I joined a squad. Opened up a whole new world for me. And having patient tutors is gold!

Are you filling notebooks with notes, only flying the tutorials? Then you are overthinking it. Just do it.

Oh, and playing the missions which are included in DCS? You should regard them as puzzles to be solved... not real missions, in my opinion.

And, as someone said: Stick with one module first.

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Old 07-08-2018, 03:48 AM   #9
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Dave, best way to do it, is ignore all the fancy stuff and concentrate on the basics.


#1 Familiarise yourself with basic aircraft principles of flight, just go in wikipedia if nothing else. Having a rough idea, if you don't already, of how/why a plane flies will come in handy.


#2 Go on to YouTube and watch a "fastest possible startup" video for your desired aircraft. Watch the video on your phone and copy the actions. Do it several times in a row, just to get familiar with the process. I memorised the startup for the A-10C in about 30 minutes.


#3 Now that you can get the engines on, practice takeoff and landing. The reason people keep telling you practice is because that's literally the only way you're going to "get it". It's going to take time, even with the basics, to get the hang of it.



#4 Once you can take off and land and feel comfortable with maneuvering your aircraft, then proceed to simple weapons like the gun and rockets, stuff you can point and practice using them. Then put some dumb bombs on. After you get comfortable with all of that, figure out how to turn on your TGP/Shkval (if you have one), etc.


Most important : Do not get overwhelmed by all the jargon. Just take little steps and move on as you get comfortable. It's not nearly as hard as it first seems, as long as you take a measured approach.




It is going to take time and practice though, no way around it. When I first started getting into DCS, I was trying to bring a few friends with me and I worked up a training curriculum for the Su-25T. I estimated 30-40 hours to take them from "knowing nothing" to being "moderately combat effective" (i.e. understanding all systems) and of course actual COMPETENCY would reasonably to expected to take longer. Learning the basics on any aircraft can reliably be expected to be similar (although once you learn one, a lot of information carries over, but there's still a learning curve for new aircraft)




I also concur with Siinji directly above me Don't overthink it, stick with ONE plane and just screw around at first until you get the hang of it. It's not that big a deal.
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Old 07-08-2018, 05:01 AM   #10
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The saying in RL flying applies I think...

"Aviate" .. Learn to operate the aircraft
"Navigate" .. Learn to operate the avionics and systems
"Communicate" .. Learn to incorporate the aircraft into the battle space
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