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Looks ideal to me :thumbup:, absolutely cracking find Deezle.

I had actually seen these on RS in the UK but for about 4X the price: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/joystick-switches/0419681/ for £100 I think we can make this work. That's by far the best price I have ever seen for something like that.

 

I messaged the seller and he gave me a reasonable quote for postage to the UK. I'm willing to take the plunge and get a few if I can get some names lined up, for that price I recon I could sell a finished sensor and adapter + 3D printed mount and knob for around £150 + postage, or I will happily sell just the adapter board for you to solder to if you would prefer to buy the sensor yourself.

 

Anyone who would be interested for around that price either PM me or just reply to this thread.

 

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These guys sell pointing sticks, so it might be worth asking for a quote.

http://sprintek.com/products/PointingStick.aspx

 

And I'd still be more than happy with cannibalising old keyboards.

Pinouts:

https://deskthority.net/wiki/TrackPoint_Hardware

 

 

Already got a quote from Sprintek, The SK8702 is now discontinued but they said they still have some for $28.55 + $75 Shipping. None of the pinouts are much help to me as I would be making completely custom analog circuitry anyway, not interfacing with the existing PS2. If you want to give it a go with my I2C code go for it, I'd love to see that working :)

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I'm willing to take the plunge and get a few if I can get some names lined up, for that price I recon I could sell a finished sensor and adapter + 3D printed mount and knob for around £150 + postage...

 

Are we talking here about a finished drop-In Replacement including Wires and Connectors or does it need to be assembled and soldered?

 

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Are we talking here about a finished drop-In Replacement including Wires and Connectors or does it need to be assembled and soldered?

 

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Yes it would be a pre-assembled direct drop in replacement, no permanent hardware modifications needed. Just unscrew the throttle, unclip the old sensor, plug the new one in and then recalibrate.

You could even change back to the original sensor without any problems if you wanted.

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Already got a quote from Sprintek, The SK8702 is now discontinued but they said they still have some for $28.55 + $75 Shipping. None of the pinouts are much help to me as I would be making completely custom analog circuitry anyway, not interfacing with the existing PS2. If you want to give it a go with my I2C code go for it, I'd love to see that working :)

I wouldn't be able to figure out how to connect the individual component. Am I right in assuming that your code just measure the resistance across the axis? I could easily wire up a playstation joystick controller and I could model a mount for it. Where did you get your board by the way? I can only find chips.

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So look what arrived this week: :D

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First impressions looking really good, many of the small issue with the DACO sensor are fixed by this one, much more compact and seems to perform better sensitivity and centring wise overall.

 

I’ll get on with the 3D part CAD and PCB soon and hopefully will have a something else to show in the next few weeks.

 

Just a quick reminder in case anyone has missed it: By fitting this you would lose the centre button on the original sensor (throttle switch 1), but I’m thinking i'll make to connections to it available on the finished PCB so you could add another switch somewhere if you still wanted it.

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What a thread to combine my passions - quadcopters and DCS input devices! I've been looking into using the 462 to make a better radio controller for all the reasons people love the FSSB. Based on your quick observations, does the 462 have enough stability/precision that (with appropriate attachments and thumb/fingertip controls) you could use it as a flightstick - e.g. how easy do you think it would be for a user to hold it at a specific X/Y percentage value?


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What a thread to combine my passions - quadcopters and DCS input devices! I've been looking into using the 462 to make a better radio controller for all the reasons people love the FSSB. Based on your quick observations, does the 462 have enough stability/precision that (with appropriate attachments and thumb/fingertip controls) you could use it as a flightstick - e.g. how easy do you think it would be for a user to hold it at a specific X/Y percentage value?

 

You share the same passions as me then!

 

First impressions it’s very nice, but compared to some nice hall-effect gimbals in say a Taranis, I don't think it would be better, and it would be 5X the price minimum.

 

The main advantages of a force sensor as far as I know are lack of moving parts and usability under high G loading, neither of which are really issues with RC radios (admittedly also not issues with flight sim gear, but still).

Also probably not ideal for holding at a constant position, nice for fast corrections, but holding in a constant position tends to get a bit wobbly (think F16 vs Airbus).

 

I don’t think I’ll be swapping out the gimbals in my DX6i anytime soon... but if you want some help working something out just PM me and I’ll help you best I can.

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Just a quick reminder in case anyone has missed it: By fitting this you would lose the centre button on the original sensor (throttle switch 1), but I’m thinking i'll make to connections to it available on the finished PCB so you could add another switch somewhere if you still wanted it.

 

This we can then do by simply adding a button to it, correct? Your frankly excellent tutorial on instructables lists it the relevant pin as being a internal pullup pin (high), so would simply sinking it to the ground with any type of momentary switch suffice to register a keypress on this front? Would debouncing be required for this switch or does the internal hardware already affix for this?

 

If as such, we could add our own 3d printed bracket with a mount behind it for the momentary button in question, though provided that the 462 does provide the ability to be pushed down and not register that as a force press to slew the sensor around: do you think such a thing will be possible?

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My first prototype 3D printed sensor mounts and hats arrived this week from Shapeways. Unfortunately they don’t seem to do a light grey plastic, so I went for red to match some of the other switches, I think it still looks really good! :D

 

Everything’s progressing nicely, just a few minor adjustments on dimensions to get everything to fit together easily and it should be good.

 

Next step is finish PCB and send to fab.

 

 

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These are pretty cool mods, but can anyone tell me if I can repair my slew by just directly swapping the old AS5013 for a new one.

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These are pretty cool mods, but can anyone tell me if I can repair my slew by just directly swapping the old AS5013 for a new one.

 

Probably not. The AS5013 is just the magnetic sensor IC that senses the moving magnet, so is extremely unlikely to be faulty, and very hard to swap without specialist tools.

 

If the sensor unit is faulty it's most likely a mechanical issue, I think Thrustmaster will sell you a replacement if you contact support. There is a video somewhere of how to swap it out but I couldn’t find it right away.

 

Swapping out the whole sensor unit with a replacement from Thrustmaster would probably fix most issues you could be having.

 

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So look what arrived this week: :D

First impressions looking really good, many of the small issue with the DACO sensor are fixed by this one, much more compact and seems to perform better sensitivity and centring wise overall.

 

So I've been playing around with the calibration of the DACO on my throttle (I bought that other Chinook stick on EBay and OP hooked me up with a very nice plug-and-play i2c adapter board and 3d printed fitting ring.)

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I can safely say that it is way better than the stock TM sensor and it makes it easy and quite enjoyable to slew the sensors around as it should be.

 

As you point out there are a couple of issues though,

- Availability/affordability is at the top since there's simply not a lot of *cheap* DACO or OTTO transducers out there. The 462+a custom integration kit sounds like a reasonable choice IMO even if it will still be too expensive for some..

 

- No center push button. I never used the functionality on the TM sensor and I don't miss it but I guess some folks do. Oh well..

 

- Sensitivity could be a bit better on the DACO I suppose, so it sounds like the 462 is a good choice if it performs even better. I don't know how sensitive the real A-10C sensor slews in practice, so I'm not really sure what to measure up against though.

 

- Size and position of the DACO hat means it can get in the way when you're working the coolie hat rapidly switching SOI and MFCD pages during an engagement. Below you can see how the hat sticks out compared to the stock TM and how it could get in the way when reaching for the coolie hat:

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You sort of have to be a bit more deliberate to reach and push the coolie hat to the right but with some practice I find that it works fine and doesn't really slow down the frantic SOI togglin'..

The DACO hat doesn't move more than a mm or two so that helps in not getting in the way and not creeping noticeably when working the throttle or resting a finger on it. The 462+a smaller, tighter mounted hat closer to what the stock dummy TM hat looks like should solve the issue I think.

 

My first prototype 3D printed sensor mounts and hats arrived this week from Shapeways. Unfortunately they don’t seem to do a light grey plastic, so I went for red to match some of the other switches, I think it still looks really good! :D

 

It does look really good! The tighter integration and smaller hat will make it easier to work the throttle and coolie hat compared to the DACO.

 

If you can't get the hat in nice grey color I personally would probably go for black over red..

For the DIY folks you could consider making the hat available in Shapeways' frosted ultra detail material. This would make it easy for them to simply paint the hat grey or whatever. The material works really well for Deadman's knobs. It doesn't require much/any sanding and can easily be tapped and hold a set screw for mounting.

 

Looking forward to see your next evolution on the design!

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Thanks DeadMeat!! Great to know it worked out for you :).

 

Just a quick update on progress. Everything is coming together nicely, I ordered the PCBs today and they should be here in the next few weeks. I have enough sensors to make an initial batch of 12 units at £150 + shipping each. If you have already said you're interested then I will message you when they are nearly ready to ship (hopefully before April) and you can get one before I put them up on eBay.

 

I still have 4 of the first 12 that have not been reserved so if anyone else wants one do get in touch.

 

After the first 12 I think I can do another 8 units depending on a few things, so let me know if you're interested as always.

 

Once I have a full unit up and running I'm thinking I will make another thread with all the details on how to fit it and what it does exactly, to make it a bit easier to find for people wanting to buy one. Any thoughts?

 

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Is this plug and play or does it require coding?

 

Nowhere near plug and play.

 

It uses a completely different protocol so you might as well just buy the thumb stick without attached PCB: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/joystick-switches/1239578/ for less than half the price.

 

The throttle would still require very significant modifications to make anything like that fit; you're very limited on space next to the coolie hat, as well as the size of the hole on the throttle for the sensor to go in.

 

There are some good CAD models of that ALPS sensor available so if someone can come up with a solution to make it fit I would love to see it!

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