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Old 09-17-2015, 08:13 PM   #41
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So I stand corrected, the **DCS** AIM-7M has a max effective range of 24 NM (45 km), not 38NM as the specs state for the RW AIM-7M.
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Old 09-17-2015, 08:20 PM   #42
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So I stand corrected, the **DCS** AIM-7M has a max effective range of 24 NM (45 km), not 38NM as the specs state for the RW AIM-7M.
It all depends on what you consider being "effective".
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Old 09-17-2015, 08:26 PM   #43
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Its not what I consider. Thanks for your input, Nikola.

Maximum Effective Range: The maximum distance a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effects.

1. maximum effective range. (n.d.) Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. (2005).
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Old 09-17-2015, 08:37 PM   #44
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Its not what I consider. Thanks for your input, Nikola.

Maximum Effective Range: The maximum distance a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effects.

1. maximum effective range. (n.d.) Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. (2005).
Accurate and achieve the desired effects against what? At what altitude, at what delta altitude, at what speed, at what aspect, at, how capable of maneuvering, target?

At 37nm, AIM-7M can maybe hit a C-172, if radar can see it.

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Old 09-17-2015, 08:57 PM   #45
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Maximum effective range is sort of a poor term for describing missile capabilities.

Most of the problems with missile modeling come from a lack knowledge of what the various range markers actually mean (And they may mean different things based on tactics, targets, platform capability, kinetic capability, electronics capability, available powered flight/steering time etc) and the attempt to define missile flight via these reported maximum ranges.

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Its not what I consider. Thanks for your input, Nikola.

Maximum Effective Range: The maximum distance a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effects.

1. maximum effective range. (n.d.) Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. (2005).
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:14 PM   #46
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Well, might work out to 38nm if you're flying an YF-12a with Aim-[4]7a at 80,000ft & M3.2 in DCS
To be fair, I've hit things with the 120 at 60nm in DCS. If you can find a target and keep track of it while accelerating to insane speeds and altitudes, in can potentially be effective.

I'm kind of curious now as to what range the AIM-7 can reach under extreme conditions. 40 nm sounds plausible, though it will probably not work online unless the target is jamming.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:36 PM   #47
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To be fair, I've hit things with the 120 at 60nm in DCS. If you can find a target and keep track of it while accelerating to insane speeds and altitudes, in can potentially be effective.

I'm kind of curious now as to what range the AIM-7 can reach under extreme conditions. 40 nm sounds plausible, though it will probably not work online unless the target is jamming.

as I've stated I have hit f15/su27s launched at 16nm.. Which has gotten some back lash as if it didn't happen.. These launches were at close to M2 +50,000ft

I guess 38nm might be possible if launched at 60k m2.5 against a large target I.E. Awacs/tanker in the 36,000ft alt range.. But man I would think that's pushing it IMHO. Id also say it would take several tries to actualy get one to finaly connect.

To add in all the tacview reviews that I've watched I've never seen the aim7 go about M3.4ish..

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If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that.

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Old 09-18-2015, 09:16 PM   #48
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as I've stated I have hit f15/su27s launched at 16nm.. Which has gotten some back lash as if it didn't happen
It was that no one thought it was possible, but that you couldn't count on such a thing regularly happening.

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It was that no one thought it was possible, but that you couldn't count on such a thing regularly happening.



Unfortunately my HOTAS is broken, so I'm pretty much off MP until DCS 2 comes out and I build a PC for it.

Best of luck with your Hotas m8.. See ya in 1.5/2!
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Old 09-20-2015, 02:21 PM   #50
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I suppose the max. range figures are all moot until the missiles themselves are continuously improved in the game as per Wags' stream. Of course it will still be debatable, but hopefully far less so.
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