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Will these work with the CH throttle Quadrant?

 

 

I actually got asked this question last week already and my answer was I honestly dont know. I expect CH to use the same type of pots in this piece of hrdware as in all their products, but I have no experience with it. I asked him to send me some pictures of the internals, as I cant find any on the internet. But he is currently not at home if I understood correctly.

 

If you could send me a picture, or maybe link me one from the internet I could probably give you an answer.

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I expect CH to use the same type of pots in this piece of hrdware as in all their products, but I have no experience with it.

 

All CH's stick, rudder and throttle use the same CTS HP 100 potentiometer, linear (response) type B, 100 K.

 

Exception is Quadrant, there is used small square plastic Bourns pot.

 

The major difficult is the fact that in CH stick pot pole is part of gimbal - remove pot, gimbal fall apart.

 

In my CH's mods I leave pot (steel) pole as part of gimbal, cut off the resistive trail support and glue the magnet needed for contactless sensor in pole end.

 

In throttle, the grip is attached to a "drawer" that move a lever attached to throttle pole.

 

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The "drawer" seem from above.

 

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Ok, thanks Sokol. My normal CH pots work quite fine, I initially had some trouble because of the reasons you mentioned however. They had to be able to take non axial loads, but the ball bearings inside handle that quite well. Then I guess I cant help people with the CH quadrant if these are using different pots. For some reason I can find no inside pictures of the CH quadrant on the webs...

 

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Cougar, CH and Saitek PnP hall sensor kits + shift registers: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220916

 

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Mmm, that looks like a tough one! Thank you for the pictures though. Now I finally know whats inside.

 

But arent the white plastic parts holding the pots tightly onto the black plastic cover? If that is the case then my replacement sensors might actually work. I think soldering the sensors in place may not be very hard if they are not held in place by the PCB only.

 

Another problem could be friction. Is there any sort of friction mechanism or are the levers held in place only ba the pots? If that is the case then my sensors are not a good choise since the ball bearings make them nearly frictionless. :(

Cougar, CH and Saitek PnP hall sensor kits + shift registers: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220916

 

Shapeways store for DIY flight simming equipment and repair: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/rel4y-diy-joystick-flight-simming

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Mmm, that looks like a tough one! Thank you for the pictures though. Now I finally know whats inside.

 

But arent the white plastic parts holding the pots tightly onto the black plastic cover? If that is the case then my replacement sensors might actually work. I think soldering the sensors in place may not be very hard if they are not held in place by the PCB only.

 

Another problem could be friction. Is there any sort of friction mechanism or are the levers held in place only ba the pots? If that is the case then my sensors are not a good choise since the ball bearings make them nearly frictionless. :(

 

 

The white plastic sandwiches between the casing and the circuit board to provide friction and to create a detent. It's like the bearing cap on a cars crankshaft.

 

The circuit board keeps the pots in place, and is the main anchor point for spacing. I am sure your sensors could be used, but it would require 3D printing a custom mounting solution to replace the original pot/board combo.

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Hello rel4y!

 

I'm glad to read your post!

 

I have two HOTAS Cougars, older and a new one. I will check the Throttle's PCB version! I will order hall sensors for Stick and Throttle in PM soon.

 

I have a question! Could you make a hall sensor in place of Antenna Elevation potentiometer?

 

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Thanks in advance!

 

59th_Wittman

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Could mods please stop deleting valid posts in this thread? I did not put my thread into this subforum, instead a mod moved it here. It was from the very beginning about more than just Thrustmaster mods, but I cant change titles myself nor move the thread.

 

I have a question! Could you make a hall sensor in place of Antenna Elevation potentiometer?

59th_Wittman

 

Hi Wittman,

I actually had a lot of requests for the antenna pot lately, but it is not as straightforward as you may think to make that one. It has a center detent and the axle type is conceivably inappropriate for a 3D printed model. i will have a look at it eventually, as at the ministick, but as of currently it is not of very high priority to me. Sorry mate. :/

Cougar, CH and Saitek PnP hall sensor kits + shift registers: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220916

 

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Could mods please stop deleting valid posts in this thread? I did not put my thread into this subforum, instead a mod moved it here. It was from the very beginning about more than just Thrustmaster mods, but I cant change titles myself nor move the thread

 

rel4y I deleted my posts because I didn't want to hyjack a TQS thread with suncom questions...

 

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Sorry for the confusion. As far as I know the moderators won't do that to individual threads.

 

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Just some feedback on the magnetoresistive sensors for the Cougar joystick:

I ordered these from rel4y and he sent them quickly from Germany to Australia - I've just had the chance to install these and they truly are "plug-and-play" - beyond that, my Cougar didn't even need to be calibrated - perfect upon installation - the axis are SUPER smooth.

I have breathed new life into my previously "spiky" Cougar - ready for DCS F16.

Awesome product, great price and service - highly recommended!

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Just a quick headsup, the next batch is underway with the Cougar Joystick sensors being almost done. By the end of this week I will make the new Throttle sensors and the USB adapters will most likely be made at the beginning of next week. It is really a lot of soldering, but I am going as quick as I can! :)

 

I had to increase shipping prices by 0.5€ as the mail service increased its prices. Also the Throttle digital GMR sensor is now 15€ because TLE5011 prices have somehow skyrocketed.

 

The preorders will most likely be shipped mid next week.

Cougar, CH and Saitek PnP hall sensor kits + shift registers: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220916

 

Shapeways store for DIY flight simming equipment and repair: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/rel4y-diy-joystick-flight-simming

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Glad everything seems to be going fine with your cottage industry .. my Sensors are still working perfectly fine, thanks a lot for your creation and wish you the best :D

 

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Thank you Rudel and glad to hear!

 

I am honestly amazed by how much interest there still is in the Cougar HOTAS, I didnt expect that. I mean I love my Cougar as well, but you would have thought most people switched over to Warthogs or the russian stuff. :)

Cougar, CH and Saitek PnP hall sensor kits + shift registers: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220916

 

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I expect that the upcoming DCS F-16 will trigger a lot of interest on second hand Cougars, so it really pays to keep ours in tip top shape ... besides the Cougar has one virtue that the Warthog hasnt: The Foxy configuration utility :D

 

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I earlier planed to change the Cougar to Hotas Warthog. I tested the new TM HOTAS, but I don't like the Warthog stick mechanics and Rudal_chw wrote well! Cougar has a Foxy, Warthog hasn't.

 

My squadron members most use the Warthog, only some older members and me use the Cougar. Now I'm very happy, because rel4y made hall sensors for Cougar!

 

I have another Cougar for my son, and it will get hall sensors too.

 

Cheers!

 

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Just a quick headsup, the next batch is underway with the Cougar Joystick sensors being almost done. By the end of this week I will make the new Throttle sensors and the USB adapters will most likely be made at the beginning of next week. It is really a lot of soldering, but I am going as quick as I can! :)

 

I had to increase shipping prices by 0.5€ as the mail service increased its prices. Also the Throttle digital GMR sensor is now 15€ because TLE5011 prices have somehow skyrocketed.

 

The preorders will most likely be shipped mid next week.

 

 

Do you still have any of the Cougar Joystick sensors left? I would like to order some.

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