m1tp2king Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) OK so I was reading a guide on the internet about how to fight BVR with the SU27. basically the guide said to forget BVR engagement because the SU27 missiles are crap ! how would you recommend me to fight BVR flying the SU27 ? the guide said I should fly low and use the mountains for cover? is it true to forget BVR with the SU27 ? Enable ECM? Use radar? many thanks. Edited October 20, 2017 by m1tp2king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) I guess it all depends on 1) whether you are flying against the AI or a human opponent. If the former, BVR engagements work fine assuming you know what you're doing. Against a human opponent things are more problematic and, generally, BVR engagements will go less well for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons have to do with the missiles' limitations. Others have to do with how your opponent handles his platform. ECM has its uses but it's important to know when to and when not to use it. I use it sparingly myself and only turn it one when it serves my purposes. Use radar when necessary. Leave it off when the situation demands it. The answers to some of these questions can fill books because the answer always begins: It depends... Edited October 20, 2017 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dauntless Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 ...because the answer always begins: It depends...:thumbup: :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Very high mach, very high altitude is the only means of possibly succeeding at a BVR kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 OK so I was reading a guide on the internet about how to fight BVR with the SU27. basically the guide said to forget BVR engagement because the SU27 missiles are crap ! how would you recommend me to fight BVR flying the SU27 ? the guide said I should fly low and use the mountains for cover? is it true to forget BVR with the SU27 ? Enable ECM? Use radar? many thanks. I'm guessing the guide you read was describing how to fight in multiplayer as a lone wolf. Most servers in mp are more about getting kills rather than controlling airspace. The best BVR is done the same no matter what aircraft you fly - high and fast. This way you maximise missile range and situational awareness. Flying around in the valleys will give you a great insight into how effective a Flanker can be but it won't help you understand the BVR fight or how to get the most out of the Flanker. If you want to BVR in a Flanker online then forget about the kills and concentrate on staying alive and holding ground, practice scanning patterns, long range engagement profiles and learning the cues when your opponents are overrunning you. Understand about F15 TWS shots, when to recognise what your opponent is doing, when you're being outperformed and always prioritise your virtual life. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1tp2king Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 what height should I fly at? 8000 ? Or higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreisch Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 what height should I fly at? 8000 ? Or higher?That's not high ;) Put a 2 in front.... Do not punch me but - it depends. In general I fly slightly below contrail altitude or above (depends on my fuel available and the time I have to be on station) Gesendet von meinem F5121 mit Tapatalk Ugly-Squadron GamestarPinboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 That's not high ;) Put a 2 in front.... Assuming he's talking about 8000 meters and not feet, he was just about there. :) YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreisch Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Assuming he's talking about 8000 meters and not feet, he was just about there. :)Damn.... Yes I'm flying f15... :-D Gesendet von meinem F5121 mit Tapatalk Ugly-Squadron GamestarPinboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Still, 8000m isn’t really “high”. Think more like 11,000m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 force your opponent to lose his 120s then turn around and he should be closer. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Keep in mind the F-15 pilot knows to fly high too. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axion Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I'm guessing the guide you read was describing how to fight in multiplayer as a lone wolf. Most servers in mp are more about getting kills rather than controlling airspace. The best BVR is done the same no matter what aircraft you fly - high and fast. This way you maximise missile range and situational awareness. Flying around in the valleys will give you a great insight into how effective a Flanker can be but it won't help you understand the BVR fight or how to get the most out of the Flanker. If you want to BVR in a Flanker online then forget about the kills and concentrate on staying alive and holding ground, practice scanning patterns, long range engagement profiles and learning the cues when your opponents are overrunning you. Understand about F15 TWS shots, when to recognise what your opponent is doing, when you're being outperformed and always prioritise your virtual life. +1 on what Frostie said. That has been my experience of many years flying the Flanker in a MP environment. Asus Z390 Code XI, i9-9900K, RAM 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance @ 3200, RTX 2080 TI FE, TIR 5, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, HOTAS WH, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, HTC Vive Pro, Win 10 x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I loved to fly my F-15 at 14 km alt and spamraam poor flankers in TWS :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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