... Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 If you had the following PC: I7 7700 4.2 GHz 16GB RAM GTX 1060 6GB and a budget of $ 400. What would you buy? A) 32 GB RAM B) RTX 2060 C) HOTAS WARTHOG https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigfan86 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Honestly I'd wait to see what the rtx 30 series offers before spending any more money on your PC. However, barring that statement, I would go with a new HOTAS personally. Going from 16gb to 32gb isn't really an issue unless your playing multi-player, or playing campaigns that have a ton of assets in them System: Ryzen 5900x, G.Skill 3600 32GB, MSI 4090 suprim liquid X, samsung odyssey+ headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 Honestly I'd wait to see what the rtx 30 series offers before spending any more money on your PC. However, barring that statement, I would go with a new HOTAS personally. Going from 16gb to 32gb isn't really an issue unless your playing multi-player, or playing campaigns that have a ton of assets in them Thank you very much, my PC does not support higher graphics. It is a Pre-assembled and has limitations on size, motherboard and power supply. RTX 2060 is the most it would support. Thanks for your answer. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 By the way, I take advantage of the thread to advise against the purchase of pre-assembled computers, due to component problems, compatibility, limitations and space when updating. The question is still ongoing. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 The question is still ongoing. I’d rather have the Warthog, tough most likely 400 dollars wouldn't be enough to purchase one new .. maybe a second hand one :joystick: For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) I'd go with A plus lower tier HOTAS (like T16000) as the RAM is way cheaper than $400 and HOTAS is a must (or do you have one already?). B is way overpriced and gives you little improvement. [Edit: "Little" is wrong for 60% performance gain but is questionable for the case.] C is way overpriced and doesn't match your rest of the hardware. Please update your HW list with current HOTAS (if any) and display resolution (or VR?). Edited September 7, 2020 by draconus Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 I'd go with A plus lower tier HOTAS (like T16000) as the RAM is way cheaper than $400 and HOTAS is a must (or do you have one already?). B is way overpriced and gives you little improvement. C is way overpriced and doesn't match your rest of the hardware. Please update your HW list with current HOTAS (if any) and display resolution (or VR?). Thanks. I consider all opinions, but I do not consider the option of a T16000. Totally ruled out. If I invest in a HOTAS it has to be something of quality, not something that can break or lose precision in two years. I already had to return a $ 220 X-52 because the Throttle was not reaching full power. I'm flying at 1080 with a 144Hz monitor and I can't really complain. My doubts are the GPU and RAM. I was thinking about this, but I don't know if it would improve my experience. https://www.amazon.es/ASUS-TURBO-RTX2060-6G-Tarjeta-gr%C3%A1fica-GeForce/dp/B07MJKTS4P/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=RTX+2060+ASUS&qid=1599470560&sr=8-2 https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 I’d rather have the Warthog, tough most likely 400 dollars wouldn't be enough to purchase one new .. maybe a second hand one :joystick: Thanks Rudel, $ 400 +/- https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Thanks. I consider all opinions, but I do not consider the option of a T16000. Totally ruled out. If I invest in a HOTAS it has to be something of quality, not something that can break or lose precision in two years. I already had to return a $ 220 X-52 because the Throttle was not reaching full power. I'm flying at 1080 with a 144Hz monitor and I can't really complain. My doubts are the GPU and RAM. I was thinking about this, but I don't know if it would improve my experience. OK, then HOTAS it is, just keep in mind that TMWH is not perfect either. I remembered wrong - the 2060 is over 60% better than 1060 - but is still questionable for your case playing in 1080. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 The other thing to remember, is that your TMWH will last 10+ years :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 My main concern has its starting point in this thread, where they say that soon whoever does not have an RTX will not be able to fly well in DCS, therefore, updating the graph would have to be the priority, but if I had no doubts, I would not have launched this question. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4477237&postcount=296 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4477607&postcount=298 https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 The other thing to remember, is that your TMWH will last 10+ years :) +1 When I purchased my TM Cougar back on 2002, it was more expensive than any other component of my PC ... now, 18 years later it is still my Hotas, while every other component of the pc has been replaced several times over the same time period. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 My main concern has its starting point in this thread, where they say that soon whoever does not have an RTX will not be able to fly well in DCS, therefore, updating the graph would have to be the priority, but if I had no doubts, I would not have launched this question. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4477237&postcount=296 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4477607&postcount=298 LOL, no such thing even in plans - these are just wet dreams of some users. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 But as they say in that thread, if ED decides to add RT technology, the more expensive Hotas would be of little use to me, with a GTX 1060 it would not be able to process the graphics. Regarding RT technology, when the user mentions it, no one from the ED team confirms or denies it. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngreenaway Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Perhaps hold off on the video card. Im quite happy with my RTX2070FE, not much more than $400 at the moment. You'll really appreciate having the 32g of ram. I wouldn't take the thrustmaster warthog even if you paid me the $400 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] DCS: The most expensive free game you'll ever play Modules: All of them System: I9-9900k, ROG Maximus , 32gb ram, RTX2070 Founder's Edition, t16000,hotas, pedals & cougar MFD, HP Reverb 1.2, HTC VIVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FubarBundy Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 wait a few weeks and get an RTX 3070? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 wait a few weeks and get an RTX 3070? I would like and also I think they will be well priced, but it would be incompatible with my motherboard, space and power supply. The maximum I can mount is the RTX 2060 and not just any model, by size. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I would like and also I think they will be well priced, but it would be incompatible with my motherboard, space and power supply. The maximum I can mount is the RTX 2060 and not just any model, by size. How are you so sure about that incompatibility? With new tech cards perform better while consuming less power apart from maybe the highest models. The PCIex16 will rather be still compatible. They don't have to be of long card design apart from maybe the highest model. So? You will probably want to change the motherboard first in the future anyway. Btw: Don't trust what some random dude dreams about. It will take years for 1060 to become so obsolete that you could not run DCS (if it still exists by that time). RT is nothing new. It's known for like 40 years. It goes like that: some manufacturer designs some new method (or new cool name for it) for their new hardware to sell it. It's hopefully good enough to show in some demo. Then after a few years a few game might be using it or it's already dead by then. Then maybe after some years it become standard which might be used by other hardware and software or it's gone completely. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Thrustmaster warthog. I just bought one and i can highly recommend it. Excellent Long term investment. :thumbup: MODULES: A10C Warthog,AH-64 D APACHE,AJS Viggen,AV8B Harrier,BF109 K4,C101 Aviojet,F14 Tomcat,F15E Eagle,F16 Viper,F5 Tiger,F86 Sabre,FA18C Hornet,FW190A8,FW190D9,I16 Ishak,JF17 Thunder,KA50 Blackshark,L39Albatros,Mirage2000C,Mirage F-1,MI24P,MI8MVT2,MIG15BIS,MIG19P,MIG21BIS,Mosquito FB VI,P51D Mustang,P47D Thunderbolt,SA342 Gazell,SpitfireIX,TF51D,UH1H Huey,Yak52. OTHER:Flamming cliffs,Combined Arms,WW2 Assets Pack,SuperCarrier. TERRAINS: Nevada,Caucasus,Normandy,Persian Gulf,Syria,Channel,Marianas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 How are you so sure about that incompatibility? With new tech cards perform better while consuming less power apart from maybe the highest models. The PCIex16 will rather be still compatible. They don't have to be of long card design apart from maybe the highest model. So? You will probably want to change the motherboard first in the future anyway. Btw: Don't trust what some random dude dreams about. It will take years for 1060 to become so obsolete that you could not run DCS (if it still exists by that time). RT is nothing new. It's known for like 40 years. It goes like that: some manufacturer designs some new method (or new cool name for it) for their new hardware to sell it. It's hopefully good enough to show in some demo. Then after a few years a few game might be using it or it's already dead by then. Then maybe after some years it become standard which might be used by other hardware and software or it's gone completely. I'm sure because they are the manufacturer's specifications. My PC is a compact, an MSI Aegis 3. Some of its components are adapted, such as the MSI Trident X. The MSI Trident X uses smaller adapted components. These types of computers are difficult to update, so I do not recommend their purchase. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Warthog, its for life... And it changes how you fly. AAR, case i, formation everythiong becomes sooooo much eassier.. the precision of HALL and the weight of the stick really makes a difference. Es el día y la noche, con el Warthog pasas de conducir un Seat a un Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_Harpoon Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 IMHO it's a personal thing. First I wouldn't bother with RAM, as I don't think DSC would benefit from additional 16gb. As for GPU vs warthog... What is your current HOTAS? What bothers you the most when playing DCS? If you're struggling with controls, or want more immersion, go for warthog. If you're struggling with fps or the game doesn't look as good as you'd like, go for GPU. PS. If you decide to get the GPU, don't buy the 2060. Wait for 30 series. Also, the idea that non RT cards will soon become obsolete is bs. Even if raytracing will be introduced to DCS I'm 100% sure it will be an optional thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 Thank you very much everyone for the responses. Series 30 RTX is not compatible with my motherboard. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajarov Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) more RAM for sure. Go for 32 gb. 2060? wait until the new ones are released and see if you can pick the 2060 in the market for a reasonable price. Warthog? Nah Better a VKB Gladiator Next. Edited September 14, 2020 by Sajarov :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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