falcon_120 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Btw, now that i can see SA page enemy simbols on my monitor... who on earth decided those where good bogey simbols? XD, there are 3 aircraft and you cant discern nothing there... i hope you can change this somehow in the SA setting page Edit: After looking at it more closely, i've managed to understand which of the "legs" is the bandit bearing, maybe is not so bad after all Edited January 11, 2019 by falcon_120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Btw, now that i can see SA page enemy simbols on my monitor... who on earth decided those where good bogey simbols? XD, there are 3 aircraft and you cant discern nothing there... i hope you can change this somehow in the SA setting page Edit: After looking at it more closely, i've managed to understand which of the "legs" is the bandit bearing, maybe is not so bad after all Those are standardized NATO symbols for naval usage, called NTDS-symbols (Naval tactical Data System). Here's an overview from a guide for another game (CMANO, great game ;)) that makes heavy use of them: Source: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1081327870 They get an aditional line if they are moving that points in the direction of their movement. The length of that line also shows the speed they are moving at. I guess the green circles in Wags picture are the own ships (C for cruiser?), as the DDI can't display blue clolor. Edited January 11, 2019 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldViPer Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just wondering what is the difference between Hostile and Unfriendly? If you are facing orange fixed wing aircraft, you see this?: Sorry, it's Friday..:D Asus Prime X570-P * Ryzen 5800X3D + Scythe Fuma cooler * RTX 4080 Super * Corsair 64GB DDR4 3600MHz * Samsung 980 pro 1Tb + 2Tb nvme * Samsung 850 EVO 512Gb SSD * Corsair RM850x V2/2018 * HP Reverb G2 * CH Fighterstick/Pedals/Throttle * Win11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Just wondering what is the difference between Hostile and Unfriendly? If you are facing orange fixed wing aircraft, you see this?: Sorry, it's Friday..:D Unfriendly means, they are potential enemies that are not (yet) clear to be engaged. Take for example the enforcement of the no fly zones in Iraq (Operations Northern Watch and Southern Watch). Iraqi Air Force jets were declared unfriendly as long as they were flying between the NFZs. When they crossed the NFZ they became hostile, meaning they were then targets to enage. Edit: Just realized the gif you posted. I guess that also counts as an unfriendly action :lol: Edited January 11, 2019 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldViPer Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Unfriendly means, they are potential enemies that are not (yet) clear to be engaged. Take for example the enforcement of the no fly zones in Iraq (Operations Northern Watch and Southern Watch). Iraqi Air Force jets were declared unfriendly as long as they were flying between the NFZs. When they crossed the NFZ they became hostile, meaning they were then targets to enage. Oh now I understand, tnx Asus Prime X570-P * Ryzen 5800X3D + Scythe Fuma cooler * RTX 4080 Super * Corsair 64GB DDR4 3600MHz * Samsung 980 pro 1Tb + 2Tb nvme * Samsung 850 EVO 512Gb SSD * Corsair RM850x V2/2018 * HP Reverb G2 * CH Fighterstick/Pedals/Throttle * Win11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiib Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just wondering what is the difference between Hostile and Unfriendly? If you are facing orange fixed wing aircraft, you see this?: Sorry, it's Friday..:D that's a great shot... you should be a photographer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 QuiGon - those look similar but they're not quite right. Yes, the symbols in Wags' screenshot are hostile air but the match is coincidence. Note that the circles are not friendly ships, but friendly aircraft that are sharing sensor data on channel "C." There are probably something like 100 different possible symbol combinations. It's not likely that DCS will feature them all, because the underlying infrastructure that contributes a lot of that information to Link-16 will not exist in DCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 QuiGon - those look similar but they're not quite right. Yes, the symbols in Wags' screenshot are hostile air but the match is coincidence. Note that the circles are not friendly ships, but friendly aircraft that are sharing sensor data on channel "C." There are probably something like 100 different possible symbol combinations. It's not likely that DCS will feature them all, because the underlying infrastructure that contributes a lot of that information to Link-16 will not exist in DCS. Oh, alright then :( Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1GHTS-ON Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just wondering what is the difference between Hostile and Unfriendly? For "Unfriendly" read "Suspect" in old speak. I am guessing, but in the complex Air environment over Iraq & Syria today, when the mission is to target ISIS ground targets, then a classification was needed for Russian & Syrian aircraft. In some previous conflicts, depending on your nationality, declaring a contact as "hostile" was ALSO giving permission to fire ("weapons Free"). very, very ROE dependant!!! Again, just a guess by me, but classifying Russian & Syrian aircraft as "unfriendly" , in THIS circumstance works........but on dodgy radio, voice only circuits, would you really want 2 different classifications that sound almost the same bar the pre-fix?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The Hornet uses HAFU symbology (Hostile, Ambiguous, Friendly, Unknown): I think the difference between Unknown and Ambiguous is that Ambiguous tracks have been IFFed but not returned a positive IFF response, though I'm not certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doum76 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just wondering what is the difference between Hostile and Unfriendly? If you are facing orange fixed wing aircraft, you see this?: Sorry, it's Friday..:D Visual/Manual IFF interogation/response, main system was down? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 What happened to Engineer #3 in january? https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3731139#post3731139 DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Work is ongoing on the Latent Track While Scan (LTWS) and Track While Scan (TWS) air-to-air radar modes. This will in turn tie into the D/L.But not a single progress report during january. ED, why aren't we kept updated on the progress? Please tell us what Engineer #3 worked on during the past 4 weeks. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex854Warrior Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) But not a single progress report during january. ED, why aren't we kept updated on the progress? Please tell us what Engineer #3 worked on during the past 4 weeks. Most likely the IFF Logic used by the D/L along with other items related to the Datalink, it's where most of the effort is going right now. The TWS is also a very important system that is necessary in some ways, since only tracks can be datalinked. While you don't have to be in LTWS for those informations be acquired and formated I think, the creation of tracks needs to be coded anyways for the D/L to not be useless :). Edited February 2, 2019 by Rex854Warrior [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 "D/L" ? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 "D/L" ? Data link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 "creation of tracks" ? That's already in DCS for Su-27 datalink afaik DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Data link ah ok wasn't sure, as he wrote "... used by the D/L along with other items related to the Datalink, ..." (he used both versions in same sentence, a bit unusual, so not sure if it's really what he meant) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex854Warrior Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 "creation of tracks" ? That's already in DCS for Su-27 datalink afaik Not sure that's relevant, very likely doesn't tie in at all with the hornet's systems, probably someone else's code, it is likely very simplified,... It's harder then just copy pasting. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Anyone know what the update-rate is on the F/A-18C SA-page/datalink? every second, or even every 500 ms? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex854Warrior Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) Anyone know what the update-rate is on the F/A-18C SA-page/datalink? every second, or even every 500 ms? Probably more like 5-10 seconds, maybe more. If you urgently need your Datalink to help you find an aircraft that is less then that amount of time from you, you're doing something wrong or not using the correct procedures. Edited February 2, 2019 by Rex854Warrior [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted February 2, 2019 ED Team Share Posted February 2, 2019 But not a single progress report during january. ED, why aren't we kept updated on the progress? Please tell us what Engineer #3 worked on during the past 4 weeks. When there is something to share, Wags is more than generous with the information. Complaining about it won't make it happen faster. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Wasn't meant as complaining, was (intended as) a statement, neutral question and a request. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Here we go. We are getting it this month. It looks like we will be studying very much to digest this thing FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathAngel1 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 And what about LITENING pod? Seems like we will get SA/datalink before targeting pod... ..:NAVY PILOTS ARE THE THE BEST PILOTS:.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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