FOXFIRE TWOONE Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Is been a long time since I tried ground power to start the f18. I tried with GP and Air connected thinking I should not need onboard apu, but no success. Does it work? Got all panel lit, now what.? Intel core I9 10900K 3.7 ghz Asrock Z490 Extreme4 G-SKill Ripjaws V 32GB Cooler Master 120m GTX 980 Superclocked Corsair AX850w psu Samsung 1 T M.2 2 X 850 ssd's Sony 48 in HD TV Trackir 5 Hotas Warthog F/A-18C Hornet Grip Logitech Pro Peddles Windows 10 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyll Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 With external electrical power - 1. Battery - OFF 2. EXT PWR switch - RESET - NORMAL (right click) 3. GND PWR switches 1, 2, and 4 - B ON (left click hold for 3 seconds) 4. L® DDI, HI/MPCD, and HUD - ON 5. COMM 1, 2, and ADF - AS DESIRED 6. Warning and caution lights - TEST 7. Inertial navigation system - ENTER WAYPOINTS DESIRED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyll Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Oh sorry, that's instructions to power the electrical systems with ground power. Not exactly what you were asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 The procedure is, after enabling ground electrical power: BLEED AIR knob to OFF ask ground crew to connect air Ash ground crew to apply air CRANK switch to R For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXFIRE TWOONE Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 The procedure is, after enabling ground electrical power: BLEED AIR knob to OFF ask ground crew to connect air Ash ground crew to apply air CRANK switch to R OK ask to apply air is what i missed. Intel core I9 10900K 3.7 ghz Asrock Z490 Extreme4 G-SKill Ripjaws V 32GB Cooler Master 120m GTX 980 Superclocked Corsair AX850w psu Samsung 1 T M.2 2 X 850 ssd's Sony 48 in HD TV Trackir 5 Hotas Warthog F/A-18C Hornet Grip Logitech Pro Peddles Windows 10 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How to ask ground Power without battery? If i don't start battery my hotas comms switches don't do anything. R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How to ask ground Power without battery? If i don't start battery my hotas comms switches don't do anything. Hi, I do confirm, the battery Switch must be ON, and Fire Warning Test Performed, then we can follow the procedure. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How to ask ground Power without battery? If i don't start battery my hotas comms switches don't do anything. When the canopy is open, the \ key allows you to contact the ground crew even with battery OFF ... it's like simulating the pilot shouting at the crew :) For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How to ask ground Power without battery? Why would you need that? Don't know about the F/A-18, but on all other planes I know, with a dead battery the airplane is grounded. @pokeraccio, the fire warning doesn't have anything to do with it. Simply turn on the battery and contact the ground crew. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 When the canopy is open, the \ key allows you to contact the ground crew even with battery OFF ... it's like simulating the pilot shouting at the crew :) That make sense. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconPlot16 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Only the first engine starts with ground power, i couldn't managed to start other engine it needs APU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Only the first engine starts with ground power, i couldn't managed to start other engine it needs APU. The firs time you ask to apply air, the GC plugs it into the right engine .. once it has started you ask them to apply air again, this time they will connect the hose onto the left engine. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Why would you need that? Don't know about the F/A-18, but on all other planes I know, with a dead battery the airplane is grounded. @pokeraccio, the fire warning doesn't have anything to do with it. Simply turn on the battery and contact the ground crew. I believe the Battery On prior to engines start is part of the procedure, I do not know the elecrtical sys of F18 in deep, but in general could be do to some emergency buses beeing powered related to The Fire Warning and extinguishing sys of the aircraft. On almost every airplane equipped with this sys, the test is compulsory prior to start Engines or APU. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I wasn't talking about the correct procedure, only what is required to contact the ground crew. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I wasn't talking about the correct procedure, only what is required to contact the ground crew. well, you weren't really helping, just criticizing the people that was trying to help :( For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 ? I simply provided the answer what the easiest and fastest way is to contact the ground crew and that a dead battery is a no-go. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXFIRE TWOONE Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) Only the first engine starts with ground power, i couldn't managed to start other engine it needs APU. You can start without ground power, just using air supply. Battery on Request air Bleed air to off Request supply air Rgt engine switch on, wait for 15 to 20 percent throttle, to idle Do other neccessary step's after rgt start Making sure brake is set and hold brake if you have peddles Run rgt engine up to about 80 percent Lft engine switch to idle and the rest you know. Edited July 13, 2019 by FOXFIRE TWOONE Intel core I9 10900K 3.7 ghz Asrock Z490 Extreme4 G-SKill Ripjaws V 32GB Cooler Master 120m GTX 980 Superclocked Corsair AX850w psu Samsung 1 T M.2 2 X 850 ssd's Sony 48 in HD TV Trackir 5 Hotas Warthog F/A-18C Hornet Grip Logitech Pro Peddles Windows 10 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I wasn't talking about the correct procedure, only what is required to contact the ground crew. Thanks bbrz, I understood this way. Also the other guy (@Rudel_chw) point was very useful because I wasn’t expecting the simple radio key working with real radio option selected, and make sense with the canopy open the possibility to communicate directly with ground staff. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooch Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 With external electrical power - 1. Battery - OFF 2. EXT PWR switch - RESET - NORMAL (right click) 3. GND PWR switches 1, 2, and 4 - B ON (left click hold for 3 seconds) 4. L® DDI, HI/MPCD, and HUD - ON 5. COMM 1, 2, and ADF - AS DESIRED 6. Warning and caution lights - TEST 7. Inertial navigation system - ENTER WAYPOINTS DESIRED Correct procedure is: With external electrical power - 1. Battery - ON (not necessary for ground checks but if you go for a flight you'll need it ;)) 2. EXT PWR switch - RESET - NORMAL (right click) 3. GND PWR switches 1, 2, 3 and 4 - B ON (left click hold for 3 seconds) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyll Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Correct procedure is: With external electrical power - 1. Battery - ON (not necessary for ground checks but if you go for a flight you'll need it ;)) 2. EXT PWR switch - RESET - NORMAL (right click) 3. GND PWR switches 1, 2, 3 and 4 - B ON (left click hold for 3 seconds)Cool thx for correcting me. Updating my notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Why would you need that? Don't know about the F/A-18, but on all other planes I know, with a dead battery the airplane is grounded. @pokeraccio, the fire warning doesn't have anything to do with it. Simply turn on the battery and contact the ground crew. Because my VFW checklist states this way...i am used (and i learned) the normal startup checklist. But they want a radio contact before starting anything in the plane...so the only way is by applying ground power and the 4 ground power switches R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 When the canopy is open, the \ key allows you to contact the ground crew even with battery OFF ... it's like simulating the pilot shouting at the crew :) thanks....that solved my issue :) R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 ? I simply provided the answer what the easiest and fastest way is to contact the ground crew and that a dead battery is a no-go. :thumbup: Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Because my VFW checklist states this way... Why? Requesting permission for engine start is certainly the norm for busy civil airports, but not so much for military. At least as far as I'm aware. :music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RightStuff Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The firs time you ask to apply air, the GC plugs it into the right engine .. once it has started you ask them to apply air again, this time they will connect the hose onto the left engine. Not neccessary to ask for 2nd round of air using these steps after startup of right engine: Crank left engine Advance right throttle to ~85% Push left throttle out of idle Watch left engine spooling up Proceed with startup as ususal Bleed Air should be turned, but it works without it. Bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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